Tatu’s Lesbian Kiss Too Controversial

Tuesday, February 4th, 2003

I assume it’s pretty tame if you see it. Calculated, but tame. Tatu’s Lesbian Kiss Too Controversial:

The BBC said Tuesday it wouldn’t be showing Russian teenage duo Tatu’s pop video which features a controversial lesbian kiss.

Tatu, who shot to the top of the UK charts Sunday with their debut British single “All the Things She Said,” have sparked fury in the British media over accusations they promote “pedo-pop” and target the “dirty old man market.”

Their video features Julia Volkova, 18, and Lena Katina, 17, wearing school uniforms, kissing and cuddling.
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Ivan Shapovalov, the man behind Tatu, has admitted to various media that he came up with the idea after visiting pornographic Web Sites.

There’s also a t.A.T.u website. (Yes, that’s how they spell the band name on their own site).

Addendum: The “All the Things She Said” video is on the t.A.T.u. Screaming for More DVD.

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