No Western artillery system is as capable and none apparently has the accuracy offered by GIS Arta

Tuesday, July 5th, 2022

Two technologies have helped Ukraine fend off the Russian invasion:

While the Russians are able to jam satellite transmissions, so far they have not been able to jam Starlink. Musk has reported that they are trying but so far have not been successful.

The other technology is homegrown and is software known as GIS Arta (GIS stands for geographic information system and Arta stands for artillery).

GIS Arta is an Android app that takes target information from drones, US and NATO intelligence feeds and conventional forward observers, and converts the information to precise coordinates for artillery.

GIS Arta was developed by a volunteer team of software developers led by Yaroslav Sherstyvk. It bears a resemblance to Uber taxi service software, on which the GIS Arta software is modeled.

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GIS Arta makes it possible to do two things not possible before: Targets can be identified and verified visually almost immediately, and artillery and rocket systems can fire quickly and accurately.

Consider that typically it takes 20 minutes to program coordinates into an artillery piece and fire the weapon. Complicating that is verifying the target; for the US that also includes making sure there isn’t a risk of collateral damage.

The artillery previously used by Ukraine was mainly Russian and its firing system was dated and slow. GIS Arta not only changed that but also significantly improved accuracy.

GIS Arta reduces the time to fire to about 30 to 45 seconds. No Western artillery system is as capable and none apparently has the accuracy offered by GIS Arta. According to reports, Ukrainian artillery can now hit a far-away target with an accuracy of between 18 and 75 meters.

Ukraine has also modified its deployments of artillery, separating units by greater distance to make them more difficult targets for Russian counterfire. That, too, has been enabled by GIS Arta.

The GIS Arta complex also selects which gun or rocket system to use and automatically provides the coordinates to any selected system. In fact, the system is so good that Germany, which has already delivered some of its Panzerhaubitze 2000 tank howitzer 155mm mechanized guns to Ukraine, reportedly has integrated GIS Arta.

Comments

  1. Dan Kurt says:

    This story has the stench of propaganda. The evidence from the Donbas is that the Russian artillery has been much more effective than that of Ukraine’s.

  2. Szopen says:

    The Russians have more artillery and more ammo. If by effective you mean ratio of shells fired to targets hit then recent developments do not support Russian artillery being more efficient.

  3. Løvstuhagen says:

    I think that this is an advertisement for a system more than anything else. Where are numbers in comparison for what the Russians are doing..?

    It is hard to imagine that, in every circumstance, they are anywhere near 20-minute processes. I’ve seen videos in telegram chat of Russian arty at work that implies that at least seem to show them adjusting in near real-time to their targets.

    Nonetheless, very interesting information!

  4. Gavin Longmuir says:

    “Two technologies have helped Ukraine fend off the Russian invasion”

    Fend off? That would be news to the Ukrainian troops running for their lives from Lysychansk.

    Maybe there is something in this report, or maybe it is merely part of the tidal wave of propaganda being thrown at us. The thought that occurs is — if a system like GIS Arta can be developed so quickly by an unpaid volunteer team and outperform existing military systems, then everyone in the Military Industrial Complex needs to be fired!

  5. bob sykes says:

    Fend off? Russia occupies over 20% of Ukraine, and is expanding its holdings steadily. The Ukrainian army has suffered huge losses in men and material, and they are now drafting teenage boys, middle aged men, and women. The only question is how much of Ukraine will Russia annex.

  6. Szopen says:

    “That would be news to the Ukrainian troops running for their lives from Lysychansk.”

    If the Russians are so good, how is it the Ukrainian troops were able to run from Lysychansk at all?

  7. Denazifier says:

    It appears the Russians want to slaughter the Bandaristas, but are happy to let non-nazi conscripts escape. Denazification was one of the original stated goals of the special military operation, wasn’t it?

  8. Bomag says:

    “Denazification was one of the original stated goals of the special military operation, wasn’t it?”

    Seemed more a statement for media consumption. Appear to be rather indiscriminate.

  9. Gavin Longmuir says:

    Bomag: “Appear to be rather indiscriminate.”

    Not really. “Denazification” appeared to be focused on groups like the Ukrainian Azov battalion which had been murdering Russian-speaking Ukrainians for the prior 8 years.

    But we are all struggling here with trying to find the facts. All we get from government media in the West is pro-Kiev propaganda. It does not give us much of a basis for understanding what is really going on. The only sure thing is the government propaganda is just that — propaganda.

  10. Bomag says:

    Well, from what I gather the Azov battalion has ceased to exist, but I doubt Putin is going to give a “mission accomplished” speech anytime soon.

    Like the Western politician who comes to the microphone; lip quivering; announcing the great danger from White Nationalism, the Ukraine de-Nazification seems more for public consumption and an excuse for open ended activity. You can’t punch too much when it comes to Nazis.

  11. Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

    Look at videos of fires, it looks like whatever the uke occupational forces are using involves walking shells onto targets, while whatever the ruslan forces are using involves a shell landing on the target in the first strike.

    There are some implications one can derive from this. One is that the way the nato troops are using drones is in more or less essentially the same way as artillery spotters of yesteryear, with a more streamlined interface/OODA loop; see target, plot map coordinates, send to assets, observe fire, and correct.

    Whereas, whatever the Russians are using must involve the generation of a more raw physical vector. There are several ways this could be accomplished; for example, the observing unit using stereoscopic or interferometric rangefinding to generate a range and azimuth between itself and the target, which is signaled to a nearby ordnance asset, which then generates a range and azimuth between itself and the asset, and these two sets of values can then be interpolated to generate a range and azimuth between the asset and the target.

  12. Kunning Drueger says:

    Is there a case to be made that this “GIS Arta” is just a crude switcheroo? The precedent is well established at this point that Occidental info sources take what Russia is doing, say Ukraine is actually doing it, then publish/post/forward. As PC says, and ASB-M tgram channel confirms, RF puts shots on target, then saturates the area around it, while Ukes walk fire onto the target.

    Under no authority whatsoever, I wish to change the conversation. Why is that AFU is still fielding military aircraft? I know RF has wiped out much of the AFU aircrafts, but a week has not gone by that there isn’t footage of another AFU chopper gets shot down, or a RF pilot engages AFU Migs. Does anyone have a clear picture of the air war?

  13. Gavin Longmuir says:

    Kunning D: “Does anyone have a clear picture of the air war?”

    Excellent question! Broaden that — does anyone have a clear picture of the total war? So much propaganda and lies — not all of it from the Kiev side, either.

    The question about the air war gets back to the broader question — Why has Russia not done what the US/NATO did when “Our Guys” invaded Iraq & Serbia and attacked Libya? That is, why have the Russians not bombed the hell out of every airfield, bridge, power plant, water plant, government office in the Ukraine? Presumably, the Russians have that capability, but they have (so far) chosen not to use it.

    One theory is that the Russian military is a paper tiger and does not have the capability to inflict serious harm on the Ukraine.
    A second theory is that the Russians are deliberately not using their full capabilities to avoid showing them to the US/NATO.
    A third theory is that Russia genuinely sees this not as a war to win but as a Special Military Operation to safeguard the people of the Donbas, and thus wants to minimize damage.
    Perhaps we will never know the answer.

  14. VXXC says:

    “Consider that typically it takes 20 minutes to program coordinates into an artillery piece and fire the weapon.”

    I’m going to let an artilleryman answer this — except that what planet is this on?

    Isegoria, please…don’t…put…stuff…like…this…up.

  15. VXXC says:

    The Russians are maneuvering at leisure — all along — and they are under no time pressure.

    The Russian plays the same game he played in Syria. Tactical diplomacy, hostile escape corridors, using firepower [just as we do] to reduce the enemy positions before advancing, all under no pressure. They are employing a fraction of their forces which they are rotating and resting. They have artillery superiority by an enormous margin and face no air threat, Russian doctrine says use artillery as main arm with armor and infantry supporting.

    The Ukrainians are dug into static positions praying for the Russians to idiotically lose their standoff distance and attack so they can use their magic saint Javelin’s.

    The Ukrainians seemingly have forgotten every lesson of the last century or more and gone to static positions that can be reduced to rubble out of which they mount nearly incomprehensible attacks on the Russians over open terrain that are probably the cause of their horrific losses [COL Douglas Macgregor estimates at 80%). Mind you it’s not totally wrong to hug the enemy, like the Vietnamese did, but they had jungle to hug the enemy, not open terrain.

    Interestingly the Ukrainians have forgotten the last 8 years of war, that mobility was survival. Their best General of 2015 is not involved.

    The next insider threat to explode at a meeting with the Americans is Ukrainian. It only takes time.

    I’m glad an Asia Times Millennial has found a fun Android app called Arta to play war with. They never got out much as kids. This is so much more fun than HALO or Call of Duty or Skyrim I’m sure. What artillery exactly is going to answer the call of Arta?

    Now to cut the Scheiss: the real Ukrainian army is west of Dnieper and the Nazis were sent to die.

    Expect Uko-Nazis to explode at meeting with American Generals or VIPs in the future.

  16. Gavin Longmuir says:

    VXXC: “Expect Uko-Nazis to explode at meeting with American Generals or VIPs in the future.”

    Please expand on what you are anticipating. “Explode” as in bad-mouthing the US to the folks from the BBC? “Explode” as in the German Operation Valkyrie?

  17. VXXC says:

    I mean, Gavin, that just as the [short list] Afghans and Iraqis turned on us, the Ukrainians will, will turn on us, and I mean KILL AMERICANS.

    I can add a longer list going at least back to Iran 1970s, and they didn’t hate CIA you know…

    …they hated MIT.

    It only takes time. Who likes our elites?
    They don’t even like themselves.

    Self-loathing narcissists all of them, that must be interesting.

  18. Gavin Longmuir says:

    VXXC: “the Ukrainians will, will turn on us, and I mean KILL AMERICANS.”

    Thanks for the explanation, VXXC. You are probably correct. Helping to defeat the Axis in WWII and then paying for rebuilding Western Europe afterwards certainly did not earn the US any thanks from ungrateful Euros.

    When Ukrainians are eventually forced to recognize that the US “led them up the garden path”, payback could indeed get personal. And the Ukrainians have all those donated Stinger missiles etc to make life back in the US very unpleasant.

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