The Order’s Satanism has occasionally proven distasteful to its fellow neo-Nazis

Monday, June 22nd, 2020

In what sounds like a bad 1980s direct-to-video movie plot, a U.S. Army soldier allegedly planned a jihadist attack on his own unit with the help of a Satanic Neo-Nazi group:

According to an indictment released Monday, Private Ethan Phelan Melzer provided “confidential U.S. Army information” to an infamous organization known as the Order of the Nine Angles (O9A), a British occult Nazi group whose works have been promoted by white-supremacist militia Atomwaffen and which has expressed support for al Qaeda. Melzer’s contacts within O9A described their plans as “literally organizing a jihadi attack.”


The indictment alleges that Melzer messaged members of O9A in mid-May through the “RapeWaffen” channel on the encrypted Telegram messaging app and sent them sensitive information about his unit’s upcoming deployment to Turkey, where they were preparing to guard U.S. military facilities. According to the indictment, one of Melzer’s interlocutors has been an FBI informant since last month.


The Order of the Nine Angles or O9A was founded in the U.K. by former neo-Nazi David Myatt in the ’70s. Myatt authored a guide for like-minded racist terrorists, “A Practical Guide to The Strategy and Tactics of Revolution,” which told followers that they are engaged “in a real war for freedom and for the very future of our race” and listed anti-Nazi activists, “Zionists,” judges, police officers, and government officials as appropriate targets for assassination. British police found a copy of the manual in the home of David Copeland in 1999, after he was arrested for a bombing spree across London intended to spark a race war.

While the group denies the Holocaust and believes, per court papers, that “Adolf Hitler was sent by our gods to guide us to greatness,” the Order’s Satanism has occasionally proven distasteful to its fellow neo-Nazis.

Myatt converted to Islam in 1998 and became a supporter of al Qaeda, but has since publicly claimed to have renounced extremism and Islam.


  1. Adar says:

    This Myatt is a terribly confused person. First he is a “neo-nazi”. Then he is a jihadist. Then he is back to “normal”. What is normal for the man?

  2. Kirk says:

    Given that a fundamental tenet of Islam, Taqiya, is lying to advance the faith…? Anything anyone who has ever said, once they’ve pronounced for the faith? It simply cannot be trusted.

    Alone among religions, Islam both countenances and encourages lying among its adherents. This fact alone should tell you everything you need to know about it.

    Frankly, I suspect that it wasn’t the Angel Gabriel that was dictating to the Prophet Mohammed, but far more likely it was the Father of Lies, himself–Satan.

    Of course, that’s if you’re of a religious bent; a secular take on it would be that there was no divine inspiration, just a loony desert bandit telling himself stories to justify doing what he wanted to do anyway.

  3. Groot says:

    >white supremacist
    >al Qaeda

    Why, golly gee, I wonder how the government found out about this plot.

    It is truly a mystery how they keep catching these people.

    No one can figure it out.


  4. I once asked a Muslim about Taqiya. She said it didn’t exist as a part of Islam, which made me wonder if she’d been lied to or was lying to me!

  5. Albion says:

    The only takeaway from all this is: “According to the indictment, one of Melzer’s interlocutors has been an FBI informant since last month.”

    In other words, you really don’t know who you are talking to in anything, and even more so on the internet. Trusting people to be what they say they are has always been a risky business. Melzer may well not do it again so easily.

  6. Kirk says:

    William Tarbrush:

    Probably both. Islam is a faith unique in its demands upon the “faithful”, requiring them to set themselves apart and superior to all others, lie in the furtherance of their religion and its interests, and suborn themselves to the supposed god they worship, up to and including the killing of family members who stray.

    It is a rare Muslim indeed who can rationally discuss the tenets of their false faith, and square the circles of its creeds. When you get right down to it, it is nearly impossible to think rationally as a Muslim–The religion demands that you leave your rationality at the door. Satan is known as the “Father of lies” to the Islamic world, and yet they are entirely blind to the fact that their supposed prophet was directed to lie to the world in service of advancing the faith! What more do you want, as a clue to the identity of who Mohammed was talking to in that cave?

    That’s the religious argument; the secular one gets even worse. If you ever manage to get a Muslim to even discuss the issue, expect them to attack you and deny everything about the foundational nature of lying in their religion. What real all-powerful god requires his adherents to lie, in the first place…?

    The logic bomb that question creates is at the heart of why Islam is a false faith, and a religion of idolaters that still think a black rock that fell from the sky is worthy of pilgrimage and worship. It’s all lies, all the way down, from Mohammed’s supposed personal history, his perfidy treating with others, and the supposed “night journey” to Jerusalem.

    Hell, on the rational side of it all? They can’t even find corroborating evidence that the man ever even existed. There’s ample evidence for the historicity of Jesus, but jack shit for Mohammed. The whole religion is a tissue of frauds, and when you read the Koran, it seems as if it were something actually articulated in a game of campfireside telephone, as illiterate Arabs told each other tales from more sophisticated religions, mixing everything up. The earliest Koran we have evidence for was written down some 300 years after the oral traditions surrounding Mohammed began, and it’s questionable how consistent all the early versions are.

    There are reasons the Saudis are doing everything they can to erase historical sites around Mecca and Medina, and why there are only German scholars really looking into the depths of history surrounding this so-called religion. Islam is a blight upon the human race, destroying everything it touches. Every bit of supposed “Islamic refinement” was stolen from some other culture or civilization that they eventually suppressed or wiped out; where are all the post-Islamic scientific advancements? Why has there been no sustainable Islamic contribution to world civilization, aside from terrorism, the suicide vest, and the car bomb?

  7. Harry Jones says:

    Kirk, there have been plenty of cults that do most of those things. Maybe all of them, but with the taqiyya it’s hard to tell.

    There was a period when Islamic civilization made significant contributions in mathematics and astronomy. It didn’t last very long, but it did happen.

    I’m not defending any belief system. My only objection is singling out one for special scorn.

  8. Isegoria says:

    “Assyrian” Christian Peter BetBasoo has argued that Arab Muslims inherited and slowly destroyed what civilization existed in the region.

  9. Alistair says:

    Isegoria, that’s interesting.

    I’d hypothesised something very similar myself, back around the same time. I noticed that a lot of “Islamic” civilisations were just precursor civilisations, often national/ethnic, that Islam had conquered. At which point said civilisation seemed to go into a long, slow decline. I tend to the view that Islam was nearly everywhere a regressive force in the societies it conquered.

    Many “Islamic” achievements had very little to do with Islam, which just happened to be the state religion at the time. They might be better described as Greek, Lebanese, Syrian, Persian, etc. achievements, and sprang from cultural sources that had little to do with Islam per se. I mean, we wouldn’t go around describing the telescope, mechanical clocks, and calculus as a “Christian” invention, would we?

  10. Harry Jones says:

    If a civilization can be conquered by a band of savages, then most likely it was already in decline.

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