Victor: “Within a generation after full citizenship was granted, ethnic divisions were no longer important for Romans.” It seems the author has never heard of the Gallic Empire.
Isegoria: Oh, yes, I’ve read and enjoyed all of Taleb’s books — Fooled by Randomness, The Black Swan, and Antifragile. That said, I’ve read and enjoyed Falkenstein’s critiques, too.
Contemplationist: I suspect you’d really enjoy Antifragile by Nassim Taleb. I know Falkenstein is not a fan, but I like them both.
Steve Johnson: “Within a generation after full citizenship was granted, ethnic divisions were no longer important for Romans.” Ha! How many 85-90 IQ mestizos were the Romans importing?
Toddy Cat: Bulls**t. This country, and almost all others, controlled their borders using humane methods for decades, right up until Ted Kennedy sabotaged the whole business in 1965, and I didn’t notice that this country was particularly nasty prior to that year. 180-proof leftist propaganda.
Rollory: I can not recommend the Silmarillion as reading for its own sake. It’s clumsy and overlong and contrived and takes otherwise interesting concepts and shoehorns them into overtly Christian cosmology. At one point I had started memorizing the Lay of Leithian (the epic poem Tolkien wrote about Beren and Luthien) – working on the first version (published in Lays of Beleriand), as it covered more of the story. It was a fun thing to do – Tolkien really was a good poet –...
James James: “the Mouse Utopia experiment is usually interpreted in terms of social stresses related to overcrowding” Overcrowding? Not a utopia then. Sounds like the experiment needs to be re-run so the mice don’t run out of space as well as food.
Reader: Some other pieces you should look at on Rome, immigration, and race: What Race were the Greeks & Romans? Ancient Romans, Race and Immigration Ancient Romans, Beauty and HBD Biology of Slavery Rome & Genetic Pacification The Ancient Concept of Race More stuff at humanbiologicaldiversity .com.
Rollory: As for the overall point, it’s valid. The Roman state was perhaps the one case where a proposition nation (everybody is Roman) actually became inculcated enough in the various component populations, became accepted enough, that it actually worked. The people we call Byzantines called themselves Romans and still considered themselves Romans. It was a process that took centuries though, and the later-stage “Roman” populations were not in any sense the same people as the Romans...