Goober: As an aside, I do find one very compelling point made by Randall Carlson, that I think may have some merit, which is his theory that an asteroid or comet impact may have caused the Younger Dryas event. This was widely dismissed for years, until very recently, an impact crater was discovered under the ice in Greenland, which may very well coincide with the timing of the onset of the Younger Dryas. I would definitely give that hypothesis some merit, given those recent discoveries, and I’m...
Goober: Jim – Randall Carlson is another perfect example of a Hancock, Von Daniken type. Don’t get me wrong, I really LIKE Randall. He’s a genuinely good dude, and extremely eloquent and tells a very compelling story. However, his main points of “proof” are all localized floods that geology already knows about and understands very well. The Missoula and Bonneville floods were grand, catastrophic, large-scale floods, but they were localized to the Columbia River drainage....
McChuck: There are the remains of ancient villages under the North Sea. Boulder drag marks show that they were destroyed by rapid flooding. There are the remains of ancient villages under the Black Sea. Boulder drag marks show that they were destroyed by rapid flooding.
Harry Jones: Jim, my linguistic abilities and capacity to reason far exceed those of many who were subjected to the same conditioning, if I do say so myself. I choose me. I’ve tried to learn several foreign languages. I never made any real progress until I went overseas and was forced to use one. Now I’m forgetting that one. But I’m still me. I think in terms of concepts, not words. Always have, always will. I went to a place where lots of people were wearing the damn face diapers even...
Harry Jones: Goober, proof is subjective. This is why so many debates can never end in both sides coming to agreement. Two movies, one screen.
Jim: Harry, humans are hypersocial creatures. You were conceived, a priori without consent, to parents who you didn’t choose in a society that you didn’t get to choose. Your hypersensitive, hyperneuroplastic, helpless youngling self was subjected (SUBJECTED) to a merciless torrent of information-pain which gradually coalesced to your linguistic abilities and capacities of reason. The English language got its hooks into you and there’s no way around it. And all we can choose is the last...
Jim: TRX, public education is a public good. Similarly, mass conscription is a public good. You may not like the public good, but it is what it is. The alternative is a self-selected, increasingly siloed, increasingly hereditary soldiery. And that has consequences that you really aren’t going to like.
Jim: Goober: “The global flood, for instance, would have left very clear evidence in the geological record, and there just isn’t any such evidence.” Randall Carlson would like to have a word with you.
Buckethead: Was joking about Velikovsky, but Isegoria left out what was perhaps the most interesting line of the abstract: “An airburst-related influx of salt (~4 wt.%) produced hypersalinity, inhibited agriculture, and caused a ~300-600-year-long abandonment of ~120 regional settlements within a > 25km radius.” I’m no expert on biblical chronology, but ‘airburst-related influx of salt’ doesn’t sound like a normal or common byproduct of meteor impacts.
Goober: Thanks, Mr. Jones, I was waiting for someone to come in and start claiming that this proved the Bible. It doesn’t. I recall reading about this a while back and literally nothing lines up for the Sodom tale. I think that maybe an argument could be made that this instance may have provided inspiration to the person who wrote the Sodom myth in Genesis. But it is not the literal telling of this historical incident. Not even close.
Harry Jones: Let’s get this out of the way: https://answersresearchj ournal.org/identifying-t all-el-hammam-sodom/ This stuff’s fun to talk about so long as you leave theodicy out of it.
Harper’s Notes: Velikovsky hijacks the thread. Ah well, some historical context then. Psychoanalysis was the hot new science that many hoped would solve many mysteries and rapidly become used or involved in many other areas outside of what we think of as psychology. Freud was one of the prime instigators of this with many writings including books like Civilization and Its Discontents and Moses and Monotheism, trying to use psychoanalytic methods to interpret old myths an legends including legends about...
Goober: Buckethead, While I agree that Velikovsky is a compelling and interesting read, there issue is that there is literally zero proof of any of the things he suggests, and if those things had occurred, such proof would not be difficult to find. While those things could be explanations for certain phenomena, and would likely cause effects similar to what he suggests, there’s just no evidence that any of those things happened. The global flood, for instance, would have left very clear evidence in...
TRX: “Only STEM and the trades were ever really about imparting information and know-how.” STEM has been largely converged for some time now.
TRX: “Education is dictatorial. Like anything good…” Unless we’re using different vocabularies, there was very little “good” about my incarceration in the public school system. I would probably have had a better chance at an education in the state’s prison system.
Harry Jones: Indoctrination is a thing to be imposed. Learning is something you choose. All these arguments over “education” are really about indoctrination. A power struggle among competing brainwashing cults. Only STEM and the trades were ever really about imparting information and know-how. Never trust anyone who says he wants to improve your mind. But do trust someone who knows how to do something and is willing to show you. Not tell you. Show you. Leave dropouts and troubled students to...
Jim: “Let’s move to a free market.” Thar ain’t no such thang, babe. No way, no how, no when. Education is dictatorial. Like anything good, it consists of a rich tapestry of value judgements made by a select few men of fine taste, such as myself. Retarded libertarians, such as yousself, want to outsource your decision-making process to muh market, believing that such a thing has ever existed outside of the shared dream of the Eternal Think Tank In The Sky. No offense, dawg. Education is a thing to be...
Dick Illyes: Everyone should be able to get this quality education. We should create an educational endowments for each K-12 student. Student endowment funds would pay out for students who achieved grade level knowledge. Instead of endless fights over charter schools, home schooling, etc. etc., all students would become customers for educational services and be treated accordingly. Providers or home schoolers for students who did poorly would not be paid, leaving twice the annual amount available next...
Sam J.: Jim says, “Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! (Points to head, sticks out tongue, rolls eyes.)” https://annekelucas.com/ writing
