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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mencken was complaining about &#039;quick cuts&#039; in 1930 movies. And he was right. When you overdo the quick cuts it&#039;s like rigging a stereo to give off static when you max the volume. Or speeding up the film to make everyone jerk around all manic. On the other hand, I don&#039;t like slow-paced, old-fashioned movies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mencken was complaining about &#8216;quick cuts&#8217; in 1930 movies. And he was right. When you overdo the quick cuts it&#8217;s like rigging a stereo to give off static when you max the volume. Or speeding up the film to make everyone jerk around all manic. On the other hand, I don&#8217;t like slow-paced, old-fashioned movies.</p>
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		<title>By: O Bloody Hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>O Bloody Hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Dec 2019 15:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, I tie this to MTV.

There are four different major segmentations to modern media (i.e., movies).

The first is categorically obvious: Sound. The style of acting, the modes of presentation, all the related aspects of modern film tie into that change -- the addition of sound radically alters the mechanism by which media is carried and absorbed. Films before sound and after are radically different.

The second was &quot;method acting&quot;, usually associated with Marlon Brando and either A Streetcar Named Desire or On The Waterfront... Acting before this was usually &quot;to type&quot; -- blondes were good girls, brunettes were bad girls. Certain guys were tough, rugged sort, others were prissy and not leading men (There was also &quot;casting against type&quot;, but that was a minority of film).
Again, with the changes in the manner in which acting was done, Method Acting, ca. 1951, was another transition point for film.

The third one is also pretty obvious, once suggested: The MPAA. The films made before the MPAA and movie ratings vs. the old &quot;Hayes Code&quot; films are generally very different, with much more range in both topics and in content, making 1967 or thereabouts a third major transition point.

The last one, so far, was, oddly enough, MTV. Yes, &quot;Music Television&quot;. MTV introduced a great deal of visual shorthand, a lot of &quot;quick cut&quot; styles, and a faster visual pacing to audiences. This took a lot longer to change things -- MTV began in 1980, and film had not consistently changed until around 1990 -- many films done during the 80s themselves can fall into either camp.

But this last one has also created a major &quot;watchability gap&quot; for people -- older people have a harder time watching new films -- too fast, too frenetic, too much &quot;banging and booming&quot;. Meanwhile, younger people have a hard time slowing themselves down to deal with the slower pacing and less visually intense style of older movies. Older people need to (if they wish to not get stuck in the past) cultivate a more flexible watching ability, while younger people need (if they wish to learn to appreciate &quot;the classics&quot;) to learn to practice more patience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, I tie this to MTV.</p>
<p>There are four different major segmentations to modern media (i.e., movies).</p>
<p>The first is categorically obvious: Sound. The style of acting, the modes of presentation, all the related aspects of modern film tie into that change &#8212; the addition of sound radically alters the mechanism by which media is carried and absorbed. Films before sound and after are radically different.</p>
<p>The second was &#8220;method acting&#8221;, usually associated with Marlon Brando and either A Streetcar Named Desire or On The Waterfront&#8230; Acting before this was usually &#8220;to type&#8221; &#8212; blondes were good girls, brunettes were bad girls. Certain guys were tough, rugged sort, others were prissy and not leading men (There was also &#8220;casting against type&#8221;, but that was a minority of film).<br />
Again, with the changes in the manner in which acting was done, Method Acting, ca. 1951, was another transition point for film.</p>
<p>The third one is also pretty obvious, once suggested: The MPAA. The films made before the MPAA and movie ratings vs. the old &#8220;Hayes Code&#8221; films are generally very different, with much more range in both topics and in content, making 1967 or thereabouts a third major transition point.</p>
<p>The last one, so far, was, oddly enough, MTV. Yes, &#8220;Music Television&#8221;. MTV introduced a great deal of visual shorthand, a lot of &#8220;quick cut&#8221; styles, and a faster visual pacing to audiences. This took a lot longer to change things &#8212; MTV began in 1980, and film had not consistently changed until around 1990 &#8212; many films done during the 80s themselves can fall into either camp.</p>
<p>But this last one has also created a major &#8220;watchability gap&#8221; for people &#8212; older people have a harder time watching new films &#8212; too fast, too frenetic, too much &#8220;banging and booming&#8221;. Meanwhile, younger people have a hard time slowing themselves down to deal with the slower pacing and less visually intense style of older movies. Older people need to (if they wish to not get stuck in the past) cultivate a more flexible watching ability, while younger people need (if they wish to learn to appreciate &#8220;the classics&#8221;) to learn to practice more patience.</p>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2019 07:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Merry Christmas, Wang.

And to everyone else as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas, Wang.</p>
<p>And to everyone else as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2019 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CVLR,

Thanks. Who would have thought a gun fight could be so relaxing? I&#039;ll watch the whole movie. 

Merry Christmas!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CVLR,</p>
<p>Thanks. Who would have thought a gun fight could be so relaxing? I&#8217;ll watch the whole movie. </p>
<p>Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2019 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wang,

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The rapid fire scene changes drive me crazy as there is no time to absorb the ram-rodded content. Give me the old shows shot with a single camera angle for minutes at a time.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Have I a movie for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwb3P0fuM1c]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wang,</p>
<blockquote><p>
The rapid fire scene changes drive me crazy as there is no time to absorb the ram-rodded content. Give me the old shows shot with a single camera angle for minutes at a time.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Have I a movie for you.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwb3P0fuM1c" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwb3P0fuM1c</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 23:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This relates to some ideas suggested by Neal Stephenson and which I expanded on in this post:

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/34447.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This relates to some ideas suggested by Neal Stephenson and which I expanded on in this post:</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/34447.html" >https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/34447.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 22:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk. Lack of density is a good way to describe modern entertainment. I&#039;ve tried to watch shows people talk about, but 10 minutes in I&#039;m bored or mad. Most themes are &#039;how stupid can a white guy be?&#039; or non-stop juvenile insults. Nature shows generally suck too. Besides the scenery, they offer nothing since it&#039;s all the same thing...breeding and eating while the narrator pushes global warming. Bread and circuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk. Lack of density is a good way to describe modern entertainment. I&#8217;ve tried to watch shows people talk about, but 10 minutes in I&#8217;m bored or mad. Most themes are &#8216;how stupid can a white guy be?&#8217; or non-stop juvenile insults. Nature shows generally suck too. Besides the scenery, they offer nothing since it&#8217;s all the same thing&#8230;breeding and eating while the narrator pushes global warming. Bread and circuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the calmness thing is more the Buddhist influence, and Confucianism is more about repressing emotions than choosing them. That&#039;s just my general impression. They certainly don&#039;t phrase it in such terms, because they don&#039;t actually talk about it much at all. Few humans question their own culture, if they&#039;re even aware of it as such.

I never cared for Smurfs in Space myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the calmness thing is more the Buddhist influence, and Confucianism is more about repressing emotions than choosing them. That&#8217;s just my general impression. They certainly don&#8217;t phrase it in such terms, because they don&#8217;t actually talk about it much at all. Few humans question their own culture, if they&#8217;re even aware of it as such.</p>
<p>I never cared for Smurfs in Space myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m reminded of one of the &quot;Chinese&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2009/01/ni-hao-kai-lan/&quot;&gt;values promoted by &lt;em&gt;Ni Hao, Kai-Lan&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Typically, television portrays excitement as the good emotion to feel. In many Chinese-American communities, the good thing to feel is often calmness and contentment. Feeling excited and feeling calm can both be happy feelings, but they differ in how aroused the body is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of one of the &#8220;Chinese&#8221; <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2009/01/ni-hao-kai-lan/">values promoted by <em>Ni Hao, Kai-Lan</em></a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Typically, television portrays excitement as the good emotion to feel. In many Chinese-American communities, the good thing to feel is often calmness and contentment. Feeling excited and feeling calm can both be happy feelings, but they differ in how aroused the body is.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 03:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dunno about &quot;hot&quot;. My problem is that most movies are not &quot;dense&quot; enough--There&#039;s too little content there to keep me interested, and if the content doesn&#039;t make sense, or takes me out of the experience, well... They lose me. I had to get up and walk out of Avatar because the suspension of disbelief was just too great. About the time you start recognizing things like &quot;Hey, this is Dances with Blue Wolves...&quot;, I&#039;m out of there. If it was possible to do with a movie what I have done with horrible books, and &quot;wall&quot; the damn things, I&#039;d have done that. As is, I got up, asked for a refund, and left. Cameron lost me on that one, completely.

I&#039;m also rather tired of the &quot;White male bad&quot; theme that seems to permeate the whole of modern entertainment. Here&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking: You keep demonizing the &quot;White Male&quot; demographic, the majority of those guys making up that demographic are gonna wake up one day, and their thoughts are going to run like this: &quot;Ya know... I&#039;m gonna get blamed for rape, plunder, and oppression anyway... I do believe I&#039;m gonna go get me some, if only so I know what I&#039;m being crucified for...&quot;.

Density. It&#039;s what I want in my entertainment. Something like the Malazan Book of the Dead is about my speed for something that&#039;s gonna hold my attention for more than a couple of hours. The average 300-page novel is only good for about two-three hours for me, so what I really want is a well-written doorstop of a book/series. The usual lightweight crap just doesn&#039;t cut it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno about &#8220;hot&#8221;. My problem is that most movies are not &#8220;dense&#8221; enough&#8211;There&#8217;s too little content there to keep me interested, and if the content doesn&#8217;t make sense, or takes me out of the experience, well&#8230; They lose me. I had to get up and walk out of Avatar because the suspension of disbelief was just too great. About the time you start recognizing things like &#8220;Hey, this is Dances with Blue Wolves&#8230;&#8221;, I&#8217;m out of there. If it was possible to do with a movie what I have done with horrible books, and &#8220;wall&#8221; the damn things, I&#8217;d have done that. As is, I got up, asked for a refund, and left. Cameron lost me on that one, completely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also rather tired of the &#8220;White male bad&#8221; theme that seems to permeate the whole of modern entertainment. Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking: You keep demonizing the &#8220;White Male&#8221; demographic, the majority of those guys making up that demographic are gonna wake up one day, and their thoughts are going to run like this: &#8220;Ya know&#8230; I&#8217;m gonna get blamed for rape, plunder, and oppression anyway&#8230; I do believe I&#8217;m gonna go get me some, if only so I know what I&#8217;m being crucified for&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Density. It&#8217;s what I want in my entertainment. Something like the Malazan Book of the Dead is about my speed for something that&#8217;s gonna hold my attention for more than a couple of hours. The average 300-page novel is only good for about two-three hours for me, so what I really want is a well-written doorstop of a book/series. The usual lightweight crap just doesn&#8217;t cut it.</p>
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