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	<title>Comments on: Animated by spirits, angels, demons, and gods</title>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 20:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Yet in stripping away the old language, we may also lose track of the deeper truths those metaphors carried.”

I don&#039;t think ancient reports of spirits were metaphors. I think ancient people were less distracted by mundane affairs and more attentive to literal spirits.

I hold an unpopular belief: I think that the conscious personalities of humans survive past the death of the physical body. In short, I believe that the soul is real enough to have an impact on the physical world — usually before the mundane body dies, but sometimes afterward. I even believe that it is possible for living humans in the mundane world to communicate with the human minds/souls in the afterlife.

I do not think minds are secreted by brains. I think that mundane physical things are manifested by the larger, more spiritual planes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Yet in stripping away the old language, we may also lose track of the deeper truths those metaphors carried.”</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think ancient reports of spirits were metaphors. I think ancient people were less distracted by mundane affairs and more attentive to literal spirits.</p>
<p>I hold an unpopular belief: I think that the conscious personalities of humans survive past the death of the physical body. In short, I believe that the soul is real enough to have an impact on the physical world — usually before the mundane body dies, but sometimes afterward. I even believe that it is possible for living humans in the mundane world to communicate with the human minds/souls in the afterlife.</p>
<p>I do not think minds are secreted by brains. I think that mundane physical things are manifested by the larger, more spiritual planes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Riet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Riet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evil spirits: &quot;What&#039;s gotten into you, man?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evil spirits: &#8220;What&#8217;s gotten into you, man?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 20:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Modern psychology has replaced the language of spirits with the language of cognition, drives, and archetypes.
&lt;/blockquote&gt; …but failed to achieve much beyond replacing language. Such as for example drag the whole thing from the bog of unfalsifiable babble and noticeably more onto &lt;i&gt;terra firma&lt;/i&gt;.

Consequently, as a pseudoscience it has exactly the same usefulness to anyone as primitive cargo cult performances do: 

A. lend an ear and drone generic calming BS to the private clients, and 

B. thimble-rig up some oracular validation for those in power and out of confidence.
&lt;blockquote&gt; But in doing so, it has lost something of the vividness and immediacy of the older metaphors. To say that someone is in the grip of an “evil spirit” captures the lived experience of being overcome by destructive emotion far more directly than to diagnose them with “maladaptive behavioral tendencies.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt; That’s a matter of taste. The author may be just walking in circles away from the boring scenery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Modern psychology has replaced the language of spirits with the language of cognition, drives, and archetypes.
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<p> …but failed to achieve much beyond replacing language. Such as for example drag the whole thing from the bog of unfalsifiable babble and noticeably more onto <i>terra firma</i>.</p>
<p>Consequently, as a pseudoscience it has exactly the same usefulness to anyone as primitive cargo cult performances do: </p>
<p>A. lend an ear and drone generic calming BS to the private clients, and </p>
<p>B. thimble-rig up some oracular validation for those in power and out of confidence.</p>
<blockquote><p> But in doing so, it has lost something of the vividness and immediacy of the older metaphors. To say that someone is in the grip of an “evil spirit” captures the lived experience of being overcome by destructive emotion far more directly than to diagnose them with “maladaptive behavioral tendencies.”
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<p> That’s a matter of taste. The author may be just walking in circles away from the boring scenery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 17:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hidden at the root of this is the matter-first/mind-first dichotomy. “Modern psychology” et al. treat matter as primary and mind as secondary and strictly derivative. All other ways of thinking throughout all of human history treat mind as primary and matter as secondary. The existence and imminent presence of ghosts, spirits, shades, demons et al. make little to no sense from a matter-first point of view; their existence and imminent presence make perfect sense from a mind-first point of view. This thread can be seen running through—in no particular order, and non-exclusively—Descartes, Nietzsche, Jung, Langan, Carlson, scientific materialism, quantum physics, string theory, and Silicon Valley AI research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hidden at the root of this is the matter-first/mind-first dichotomy. “Modern psychology” et al. treat matter as primary and mind as secondary and strictly derivative. All other ways of thinking throughout all of human history treat mind as primary and matter as secondary. The existence and imminent presence of ghosts, spirits, shades, demons et al. make little to no sense from a matter-first point of view; their existence and imminent presence make perfect sense from a mind-first point of view. This thread can be seen running through—in no particular order, and non-exclusively—Descartes, Nietzsche, Jung, Langan, Carlson, scientific materialism, quantum physics, string theory, and Silicon Valley AI research.</p>
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