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	<title>Comments on: You can bring the Old World’s knowledge and technology to the new, but if geography is against you, then you will have limited success</title>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2025 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many primeval forests aren’t in fact primeval but the result of recent &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/accidental-rewilding/&quot;&gt;accidental rewilding&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the Americas — North, Meso and South — the first Europeans to arrive in the 15th and 16th centuries reported dense settlement and large-scale farming. Some of them were simply not believed. Spaniards such as the explorer Francisco de Orellana and the missionary Brother Gaspar de Carvajal, who travelled the length of the Amazon river in 1542, claimed that they had seen walled cities in which many thousands of people lived, raised highways and extensive farming along its banks. When later expeditions visited the river, they found no trace of them, just dense forest to the water’s edge and small scattered bands of hunter-gatherers. Orellana and Carvajal’s reports were dismissed as the ravings of fantasists, seeking to boost commercial interest in the lands they had explored.

It was not until the late 20th century that investigations by archaeologists such as Anna Roosevelt at the University of Illinois at Chicago and Michael Heckenberger at the University of Florida suggested that Orellana and Carvajal’s accounts were probably accurate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many primeval forests aren’t in fact primeval but the result of recent <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/accidental-rewilding/">accidental rewilding</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>In the Americas — North, Meso and South — the first Europeans to arrive in the 15th and 16th centuries reported dense settlement and large-scale farming. Some of them were simply not believed. Spaniards such as the explorer Francisco de Orellana and the missionary Brother Gaspar de Carvajal, who travelled the length of the Amazon river in 1542, claimed that they had seen walled cities in which many thousands of people lived, raised highways and extensive farming along its banks. When later expeditions visited the river, they found no trace of them, just dense forest to the water’s edge and small scattered bands of hunter-gatherers. Orellana and Carvajal’s reports were dismissed as the ravings of fantasists, seeking to boost commercial interest in the lands they had explored.</p>
<p>It was not until the late 20th century that investigations by archaeologists such as Anna Roosevelt at the University of Illinois at Chicago and Michael Heckenberger at the University of Florida suggested that Orellana and Carvajal’s accounts were probably accurate.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2025 16:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Just before the arrival of the Spanish and Portuguese in South America, there were thriving agricultural communities all along the Amazon and at least some of its tributaries.”

Haha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Just before the arrival of the Spanish and Portuguese in South America, there were thriving agricultural communities all along the Amazon and at least some of its tributaries.”</p>
<p>Haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Riet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Riet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2025 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Sykes, by “advanced communities” you mean presumably in relative not absolute terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Sykes, by “advanced communities” you mean presumably in relative not absolute terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2025 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just before the arrival of the Spanish and Portuguese in South America, there were thriving agricultural communities all along the Amazon and at least some of its tributaries. These all disappeared, presumably due to European diseases, but their existence proved advanced communities could exist in the Amazon.

It is likely that these communities were established during the Ice Age, when the Amazon basin was largely savannah, and not tropical rain forest. So maybe they were doomed anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just before the arrival of the Spanish and Portuguese in South America, there were thriving agricultural communities all along the Amazon and at least some of its tributaries. These all disappeared, presumably due to European diseases, but their existence proved advanced communities could exist in the Amazon.</p>
<p>It is likely that these communities were established during the Ice Age, when the Amazon basin was largely savannah, and not tropical rain forest. So maybe they were doomed anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred the Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred the Gator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Working from memory here.... I believe it was Paul Johnson in MODERN TIMES who described the economic tragedy of Argentina under Peron. He said that Argentina had achieved first-world economic takeoff before Peron.

My understanding is that Peronism is a kind of semi-socialist command economy, perhaps akin to Hitler&#039;s National Socialism where the government allows the illusion of private ownership but owners are not allowed to make their own economic decisions.

One example I recall is that successful companies were able to provide various benefits to employees; Peron mandated that ALL companies provide these benefits. This drove many marginal companies out of business.

Anyway the point is that the old world exported a lot of bad ideas, such as Marxist socialism and state centralism, alongside the technological advances that came about before some of those bad ideas took root.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working from memory here&#8230;. I believe it was Paul Johnson in MODERN TIMES who described the economic tragedy of Argentina under Peron. He said that Argentina had achieved first-world economic takeoff before Peron.</p>
<p>My understanding is that Peronism is a kind of semi-socialist command economy, perhaps akin to Hitler&#8217;s National Socialism where the government allows the illusion of private ownership but owners are not allowed to make their own economic decisions.</p>
<p>One example I recall is that successful companies were able to provide various benefits to employees; Peron mandated that ALL companies provide these benefits. This drove many marginal companies out of business.</p>
<p>Anyway the point is that the old world exported a lot of bad ideas, such as Marxist socialism and state centralism, alongside the technological advances that came about before some of those bad ideas took root.</p>
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