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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/vengeance-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-3735822</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Louis Menand:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Problem of the Loyal Henchmen arises when people willingly obey authorities everyone knows to be evil. Why, after the villain has fled in his private submarine, and while the high-tech palace crashes and burns, does the last unincinerated member of the villain’s private militia risk his life to take a shot at James Bond? Loyalty to Blofeld? Loyalty to the principles of Blofeldism? What could that mean?

[…]

The mysterious part of totalitarianism’s appeal — and here we return to the Problem of the Loyal Henchmen — is that its official ideology can be, and usually is, absurd on its face, and known to be absurd by the leaders who preach it. [...] Totalitarian rule, Arendt argued, is predicated on the assumption that proving that a thing is true is less effective than acting as though it were true. The Nazis did not invite a discussion of the merits of anti-Semitism; they simply acted out its consequences.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Human men form martial organizations for the dual purpose of establishing and retaining territorial and mate control, as do, to a lesser extent, the men of many other species. &quot;Ideology&quot; is not now nor has ever been a real motivator.

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Arendt was a philosopher.
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Calling Arendt a &quot;philosopher&quot; is hilarious.

One day soon, America will come to terms with the profound ethnonarcissism of Arendt, Menand et al.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis Menand:</p>
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The Problem of the Loyal Henchmen arises when people willingly obey authorities everyone knows to be evil. Why, after the villain has fled in his private submarine, and while the high-tech palace crashes and burns, does the last unincinerated member of the villain’s private militia risk his life to take a shot at James Bond? Loyalty to Blofeld? Loyalty to the principles of Blofeldism? What could that mean?</p>
<p>[…]</p>
<p>The mysterious part of totalitarianism’s appeal — and here we return to the Problem of the Loyal Henchmen — is that its official ideology can be, and usually is, absurd on its face, and known to be absurd by the leaders who preach it. [...] Totalitarian rule, Arendt argued, is predicated on the assumption that proving that a thing is true is less effective than acting as though it were true. The Nazis did not invite a discussion of the merits of anti-Semitism; they simply acted out its consequences.
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<p>Human men form martial organizations for the dual purpose of establishing and retaining territorial and mate control, as do, to a lesser extent, the men of many other species. &#8220;Ideology&#8221; is not now nor has ever been a real motivator.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Arendt was a philosopher.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Calling Arendt a &#8220;philosopher&#8221; is hilarious.</p>
<p>One day soon, America will come to terms with the profound ethnonarcissism of Arendt, Menand et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2025 02:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Why, after the villain has fled in his private submarine, and while the high-tech palace crashes and burns, does the last unincinerated member of the villain’s private militia risk his life to take a shot at James Bond? Loyalty to Blofeld?”

Madness? Spite? Hatred of bourgeois morality?

The henchmen of a Blofeld might be good characters, full of dysfunctional motivations, if only there were time to hear their stories.

Consider the following protagonist, who might be an anti-hero:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Some years ago—never mind how long precisely—having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off—then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With a philosophical flourish, Cato throws himself upon his sword; the Blofeld henchman takes a shot at James Bond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Why, after the villain has fled in his private submarine, and while the high-tech palace crashes and burns, does the last unincinerated member of the villain’s private militia risk his life to take a shot at James Bond? Loyalty to Blofeld?”</p>
<p>Madness? Spite? Hatred of bourgeois morality?</p>
<p>The henchmen of a Blofeld might be good characters, full of dysfunctional motivations, if only there were time to hear their stories.</p>
<p>Consider the following protagonist, who might be an anti-hero:</p>
<blockquote><p>Some years ago—never mind how long precisely—having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off—then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.</p></blockquote>
<p>With a philosophical flourish, Cato throws himself upon his sword; the Blofeld henchman takes a shot at James Bond.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/vengeance-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-3735162</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2025 01:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in 2009, Lexington Green listed &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2009/06/ten-books-lexington-green-wants-to-read-again/&quot;&gt;ten books he wanted to re-read&lt;/a&gt;, and I made the same comment about Verne-versus-Wells then: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;H.G. Wells, &lt;em&gt;The War of the Worlds&lt;/em&gt; – Wells’ early science-fiction stories have held up amazingly well — and much better than Verne’s “harder” science-fiction. It’s hard to stay amazed by a submarine and by waterproof doors lined with India rubber.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2009, Lexington Green listed <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2009/06/ten-books-lexington-green-wants-to-read-again/">ten books he wanted to re-read</a>, and I made the same comment about Verne-versus-Wells then: </p>
<blockquote><p>H.G. Wells, <em>The War of the Worlds</em> – Wells’ early science-fiction stories have held up amazingly well — and much better than Verne’s “harder” science-fiction. It’s hard to stay amazed by a submarine and by waterproof doors lined with India rubber.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/vengeance-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-3735146</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2025 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples&quot;&gt;Blofeld&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Problem of the Loyal Henchmen arises when people willingly obey authorities everyone knows to be evil. Why, after the villain has fled in his private submarine, and while the high-tech palace crashes and burns, does the last unincinerated member of the villain’s private militia risk his life to take a shot at James Bond? Loyalty to Blofeld? Loyalty to the principles of Blofeldism? What could that mean?

[…]

The mysterious part of totalitarianism’s appeal — and here we return to the Problem of the Loyal Henchmen — is that its official ideology can be, and usually is, absurd on its face, and known to be absurd by the leaders who preach it. [...] Totalitarian rule, Arendt argued, is predicated on the assumption that proving that a thing is true is less effective than acting as though it were true. The Nazis did not invite a discussion of the merits of anti-Semitism; they simply acted out its consequences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples">Blofeld</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>The Problem of the Loyal Henchmen arises when people willingly obey authorities everyone knows to be evil. Why, after the villain has fled in his private submarine, and while the high-tech palace crashes and burns, does the last unincinerated member of the villain’s private militia risk his life to take a shot at James Bond? Loyalty to Blofeld? Loyalty to the principles of Blofeldism? What could that mean?</p>
<p>[…]</p>
<p>The mysterious part of totalitarianism’s appeal — and here we return to the Problem of the Loyal Henchmen — is that its official ideology can be, and usually is, absurd on its face, and known to be absurd by the leaders who preach it. [...] Totalitarian rule, Arendt argued, is predicated on the assumption that proving that a thing is true is less effective than acting as though it were true. The Nazis did not invite a discussion of the merits of anti-Semitism; they simply acted out its consequences.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/vengeance-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-3735143</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2025 01:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2003/04/the-silent-service/&quot;&gt;oldest post to mention the word “submarine”&lt;/a&gt; cited the late &lt;a href=&quot;https://sdb.dotclue.org/common/biograph.shtml&quot;&gt;Steven Den Beste&lt;/a&gt;’s piece on &lt;a href=&quot;https://erbosoft.com/ussclueless/cd_log_entries/2003/03/TheSilentService.htm&quot;&gt;the silent service&lt;/a&gt;, emphasizing this point that “loose lips sink ships”: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Japanese anti-submarine warfare capability was never really very good, and in the early part of the war it was particularly dreadful. One reason for this was that the Japanese had incorrectly calculated the depth to which American boats could dive. They set their depth charges based on that, and the American submariners soon learned that if they dove deep enough (at depths well within the safety limit of the boat hulls) they would be all but immune to Japanese depth charging.

Obviously this was quite useful and interesting, and it began to be talked about back on shore, in a &quot;Boy, have you heard about how stupid the Japanese are?&quot; kind of way. The story spread, and spread, and it eventually ended up in a newspaper. And then one Congressman included it in a speech before Congress.

As might be imagined, the Japanese heard about this, and started setting their depth charges to go deeper. This prompted an officer in the Navy to send a letter to the Congressman saying that he was sure the Congressman would be pleased to learn that the Japanese had corrected their mistake.

Out of that experience, and a couple of others like it, submariners soon learned that they couldn&#039;t ultimately trust anyone who was not in subs. It wasn&#039;t that others might necessarily be inimical, but that they might be careless or stupid.

They came to be known as the &quot;Silent Service&quot;. Submarine officers didn&#039;t wear their dolphins when in the O-club, and though they would be friendly and would talk about irrelevant subjects, they would not talk about what they did to anyone. They would talk, but never talk shop. They might not even admit that they were in subs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2003/04/the-silent-service/">oldest post to mention the word “submarine”</a> cited the late <a href="https://sdb.dotclue.org/common/biograph.shtml">Steven Den Beste</a>’s piece on <a href="https://erbosoft.com/ussclueless/cd_log_entries/2003/03/TheSilentService.htm">the silent service</a>, emphasizing this point that “loose lips sink ships”: </p>
<blockquote><p>Japanese anti-submarine warfare capability was never really very good, and in the early part of the war it was particularly dreadful. One reason for this was that the Japanese had incorrectly calculated the depth to which American boats could dive. They set their depth charges based on that, and the American submariners soon learned that if they dove deep enough (at depths well within the safety limit of the boat hulls) they would be all but immune to Japanese depth charging.</p>
<p>Obviously this was quite useful and interesting, and it began to be talked about back on shore, in a &#8220;Boy, have you heard about how stupid the Japanese are?&#8221; kind of way. The story spread, and spread, and it eventually ended up in a newspaper. And then one Congressman included it in a speech before Congress.</p>
<p>As might be imagined, the Japanese heard about this, and started setting their depth charges to go deeper. This prompted an officer in the Navy to send a letter to the Congressman saying that he was sure the Congressman would be pleased to learn that the Japanese had corrected their mistake.</p>
<p>Out of that experience, and a couple of others like it, submariners soon learned that they couldn&#8217;t ultimately trust anyone who was not in subs. It wasn&#8217;t that others might necessarily be inimical, but that they might be careless or stupid.</p>
<p>They came to be known as the &#8220;Silent Service&#8221;. Submarine officers didn&#8217;t wear their dolphins when in the O-club, and though they would be friendly and would talk about irrelevant subjects, they would not talk about what they did to anyone. They would talk, but never talk shop. They might not even admit that they were in subs.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/vengeance-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-3735090</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2025 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read &lt;em&gt;20,000 Leagues Under the Sea&lt;/em&gt; when I was eight or nine years old. What a story! I was lucky enough to be reading it in Florida when my uncle visited. He was an officer on the USS Corporal, one of our older subs. He eventually served on the Simon Bolivar, one of the most modern subs of the 1960&#039;s.

Unfortunately, I was too young to ask him any really good questions, and he took the idea of &quot;loose lips sink ships&quot; as seriously as you would want from the Weapons Officer. 

Eventually, he joined the crew of the &lt;em&gt;USS Blueback&lt;/em&gt; as the Executive Officer, prior to taking over command of the USS Bonefish. 

Anyway, knowing that my uncle regularly served aboard submarines made my &quot;voyage&quot; into the world of Verne&#039;s undersea fiction even more memorable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read <em>20,000 Leagues Under the Sea</em> when I was eight or nine years old. What a story! I was lucky enough to be reading it in Florida when my uncle visited. He was an officer on the USS Corporal, one of our older subs. He eventually served on the Simon Bolivar, one of the most modern subs of the 1960&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I was too young to ask him any really good questions, and he took the idea of &#8220;loose lips sink ships&#8221; as seriously as you would want from the Weapons Officer. </p>
<p>Eventually, he joined the crew of the <em>USS Blueback</em> as the Executive Officer, prior to taking over command of the USS Bonefish. </p>
<p>Anyway, knowing that my uncle regularly served aboard submarines made my &#8220;voyage&#8221; into the world of Verne&#8217;s undersea fiction even more memorable.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I first went back and read Verne, I found his work rather dull, because it’s hard to get excited about a submarine with hatches lined with…India rubber!

His work is almost in the techno-thriller genre, but the near-future tech isn’t thrilling now.

Wells is much more of a Big Idea guy, and I found myself enjoying his less grounded stories much more, even though I consider myself pretty grounded and a big fan of plausibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first went back and read Verne, I found his work rather dull, because it’s hard to get excited about a submarine with hatches lined with…India rubber!</p>
<p>His work is almost in the techno-thriller genre, but the near-future tech isn’t thrilling now.</p>
<p>Wells is much more of a Big Idea guy, and I found myself enjoying his less grounded stories much more, even though I consider myself pretty grounded and a big fan of plausibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2025 19:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Verne always sneered at Wells for failing to use plausible tech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verne always sneered at Wells for failing to use plausible tech.</p>
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