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	<title>Comments on: Both &#8220;Elton&#8221; and &#8220;van&#8221; were added much later</title>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/both-elton-and-van-were-added-much-later/comment-page-1/#comment-3733759</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2025 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TRX says:	 &lt;blockquote&gt; Van Vogt’s imagination far outstripped his writing ability, which is why so many of his stories started off with a bang, then trailed off into mediocrity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Many such cases. Some worse. Salvatore can do a good scene, but then he buries it under a hundred pages of hackity-hack and herpity-derp. He also would struggle to make up as much as 3 non-ridiculous names in a row even if his life depended on it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What he really needed was an editor with a chair and a whip, to keep him focused on the main story line.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What he really needed was a good co-author to cover his weak sides.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRX says:<br />
<blockquote> Van Vogt’s imagination far outstripped his writing ability, which is why so many of his stories started off with a bang, then trailed off into mediocrity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Many such cases. Some worse. Salvatore can do a good scene, but then he buries it under a hundred pages of hackity-hack and herpity-derp. He also would struggle to make up as much as 3 non-ridiculous names in a row even if his life depended on it.</p>
<blockquote><p>What he really needed was an editor with a chair and a whip, to keep him focused on the main story line.</p></blockquote>
<p>What he really needed was a good co-author to cover his weak sides.</p>
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		<title>By: TRX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2025 02:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Van Vogt&#039;s imagination far outstripped his writing ability, which is why so many of his stories started off with a bang, then trailed off into mediocrity.  

The fix-up thing became very annoying when I went through a van Vogt phase, as I kept finding previously read short stories (or pieces of them) in later novels.  And later editions of the same book might get revised without any mention on the cover or copyright page, leading to some head-scratching as a re-read fails to match the original.

What he really needed was an editor with a chair and a whip, to keep him focused on the main story line.

Still, while sometimes annoying, he reliably delivered on the &quot;sense of wonder&quot; thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van Vogt&#8217;s imagination far outstripped his writing ability, which is why so many of his stories started off with a bang, then trailed off into mediocrity.  </p>
<p>The fix-up thing became very annoying when I went through a van Vogt phase, as I kept finding previously read short stories (or pieces of them) in later novels.  And later editions of the same book might get revised without any mention on the cover or copyright page, leading to some head-scratching as a re-read fails to match the original.</p>
<p>What he really needed was an editor with a chair and a whip, to keep him focused on the main story line.</p>
<p>Still, while sometimes annoying, he reliably delivered on the &#8220;sense of wonder&#8221; thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/both-elton-and-van-were-added-much-later/comment-page-1/#comment-3733210</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A.E. van Vogt coined the term &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2012/05/a-pygmy-using-a-giant-typewriter/&quot;&gt;fix-up&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt; He followed a strategy of introducing a new twist or complication every 800 words — a method SF author and critic James Blish called recomplication, and which Damon Knight derided as the &quot;Kitchen Sink Technique.&quot; This approach is both exhilarating and frustrating, and has contributed to the sharply polarized critical response to van Vogt. In the words of Brian W. Aldiss, he was a &quot;genuinely inspired madman.&quot; Philip K. Dick, who ardently defended van Vogt against his critics, asserted that he &quot;influenced me so much because he made me appreciate a mysterious chaotic quality in the universe which is not to be feared.&quot; At the other extreme, we encounter Knight, the leader of the anti-van Vogt faction, who — in an infamous fanzine article entitled &quot;Cosmic Jerrybuilder&quot; — almost singlehandedly torpedoed van Vogt&#039;s reputation by famously proclaiming: &quot;Van Vogt is not a giant as often maintained. He&#039;s only a pygmy using a giant typewriter.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.E. van Vogt coined the term <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2012/05/a-pygmy-using-a-giant-typewriter/">fix-up</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p> He followed a strategy of introducing a new twist or complication every 800 words — a method SF author and critic James Blish called recomplication, and which Damon Knight derided as the &#8220;Kitchen Sink Technique.&#8221; This approach is both exhilarating and frustrating, and has contributed to the sharply polarized critical response to van Vogt. In the words of Brian W. Aldiss, he was a &#8220;genuinely inspired madman.&#8221; Philip K. Dick, who ardently defended van Vogt against his critics, asserted that he &#8220;influenced me so much because he made me appreciate a mysterious chaotic quality in the universe which is not to be feared.&#8221; At the other extreme, we encounter Knight, the leader of the anti-van Vogt faction, who — in an infamous fanzine article entitled &#8220;Cosmic Jerrybuilder&#8221; — almost singlehandedly torpedoed van Vogt&#8217;s reputation by famously proclaiming: &#8220;Van Vogt is not a giant as often maintained. He&#8217;s only a pygmy using a giant typewriter.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/both-elton-and-van-were-added-much-later/comment-page-1/#comment-3733208</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 18:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PKD is an odd character and not necessarily one I’d expect to value &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2009/06/the-language-of-clear-thinking/&quot;&gt;the language of clear thinking&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PKD is an odd character and not necessarily one I’d expect to value <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2009/06/the-language-of-clear-thinking/">the language of clear thinking</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 18:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m afraid I sensed exactly where Dan’s anecdote was headed, when he said that Uncle Alfred sent them a copy of every book. Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m afraid I sensed exactly where Dan’s anecdote was headed, when he said that Uncle Alfred sent them a copy of every book. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Phileas Frogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phileas Frogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 13:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...NO ONE  in the family ever read any of his novels.&quot;

The true pain of those who write is the realization that, &quot;No prophet is accepted in his hometown.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;NO ONE  in the family ever read any of his novels.&#8221;</p>
<p>The true pain of those who write is the realization that, &#8220;No prophet is accepted in his hometown.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 06:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/4afXH4P&quot;&gt;Dream Makers&lt;/a&gt; Charles Platt said Van Vogt&#039;s stories were &#039;utterances&#039;, not just stories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="https://amzn.to/4afXH4P">Dream Makers</a> Charles Platt said Van Vogt&#8217;s stories were &#8216;utterances&#8217;, not just stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kurt</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2025/01/both-elton-and-van-were-added-much-later/comment-page-1/#comment-3733139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 03:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By chance I met a woman and her pre-teenage son circa early 80s whose name was Vogt. She was divorced and used her maiden name. I mentioned that a favorite author mine was A.E. van Vogt. She replied that that was her uncle Alfred, and she said that he sent their family a copy of every novel he published. I asked her if she enjoyed any of them and she said that NO ONE in the family ever read any of his novels.

Another point about A.E. van Vogt is that he was dyslexic and writing was an ordeal for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By chance I met a woman and her pre-teenage son circa early 80s whose name was Vogt. She was divorced and used her maiden name. I mentioned that a favorite author mine was A.E. van Vogt. She replied that that was her uncle Alfred, and she said that he sent their family a copy of every novel he published. I asked her if she enjoyed any of them and she said that NO ONE in the family ever read any of his novels.</p>
<p>Another point about A.E. van Vogt is that he was dyslexic and writing was an ordeal for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 03:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Around 1990 I was reading biographies and gossip about Phil K. Dick. PKD once said (perhaps very seriously, perhaps insincerely) that A. E. van Vogt had done more to create the field of sci-fi than anyone else. From the moment I read that endorsement, I sought out van Vogt&#039;s work assiduously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around 1990 I was reading biographies and gossip about Phil K. Dick. PKD once said (perhaps very seriously, perhaps insincerely) that A. E. van Vogt had done more to create the field of sci-fi than anyone else. From the moment I read that endorsement, I sought out van Vogt&#8217;s work assiduously.</p>
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