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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2024/11/it-never-happened-in-an-exercise-before/comment-page-1/#comment-3718116</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2024 05:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you read &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/3Cg9jYz&quot;&gt;Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway&lt;/a&gt;, the Japanese CAP did a great job; it was just not enough for the number of land-attacking aircraft, and torpedo and dive bombers from carriers.

It should be noted that the Japanese carrier composition (and also US) were very attack focused, so only 1/3 of the aircraft were fighters. Later in the war it would change, and 1/1 was not uncommon. USN even experimented with carriers dedicated only to CAP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read <a href="https://amzn.to/3Cg9jYz">Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway</a>, the Japanese CAP did a great job; it was just not enough for the number of land-attacking aircraft, and torpedo and dive bombers from carriers.</p>
<p>It should be noted that the Japanese carrier composition (and also US) were very attack focused, so only 1/3 of the aircraft were fighters. Later in the war it would change, and 1/1 was not uncommon. USN even experimented with carriers dedicated only to CAP.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2024/11/it-never-happened-in-an-exercise-before/comment-page-1/#comment-3717994</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2024 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, the double Jukov vs. Pavlov exercise in Soviet Union. This one involved much more smoke-and-mirrors damage control later.

The scandalous details of “MC 02” began to leak almost immediately:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151117122930/warontherocks.com/2015/11/millennium-challenge-the-real-story-of-a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the double Jukov vs. Pavlov exercise in Soviet Union. This one involved much more smoke-and-mirrors damage control later.</p>
<p>The scandalous details of “MC 02” began to leak almost immediately:<br />
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20151117122930/warontherocks.com/2015/11/millennium-challenge-the-real-story-of-a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/" >https://web.archive.org/web/20151117122930/warontherocks.com/2015/11/millennium-challenge-the-real-story-of-a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2024 19:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The player controlling the U.S. forces (whose name is lost to history) sent a flight of land-based bombers from Midway to attack the carriers.&quot;

The Umpire was correct. It would take much more than a flight of land bombers to sink the first Japanese carrier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The player controlling the U.S. forces (whose name is lost to history) sent a flight of land-based bombers from Midway to attack the carriers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Umpire was correct. It would take much more than a flight of land bombers to sink the first Japanese carrier.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2024 03:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent point, M. Mack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, M. Mack.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2024 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It never happened in an exercise before&quot;

Perhaps never with AMERICAN forces:

&quot;One of the events historians have pointed to as evidence of the Imperial General Staff&#039;s superiority complex is the war game held aboard the battleship Yamato from May 1-4. Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku hosted this tabletop exercise and invited all of the senior commanders involved in Operation MI to participate. His chief of staff, Rear Admiral Ugaki Matome, ran the game and served as the chief umpire. In theory, the purpose of the exercise was to fight out the battle on paper first and expose any flaws in the Japanese plan so they could be corrected before launching the actual operation. This game, however, seems to have been treated as a formality rather than a serious tool for improving operational plans. In their book &quot;Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway&quot;, authors Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully described the game as &quot;four days of scripted silliness&quot; and &quot;a mockery of professional staff work.&quot;&quot;

&quot;One incident during the game that proved especially notorious occurred soon after the Japanese carrier force, known as the Kido Butai, was spotted. The player controlling the U.S. forces (whose name is lost to history) sent a flight of land-based bombers from Midway to attack the carriers. The game umpire rolled a pair of dice to determine how many hits were scored. The result of nine was enough to sink two carriers, Akagi and Kaga. To Admiral Ugaki&#039;s mind, however, that was ludicrous. He did not believe the Americans would be so aggressive. Even if they were, he was confident the Japanese carriers would be up to the task of defending themselves. He overruled the umpire and reduced the result to just three hits, meaning that Akagi was still afloat. The destruction of Kaga stood for now, but even it reappeared in a later game covering the subsequent operation planned for New Caledonia and the Fiji Islands.&quot;

https://navalwarcollegemuseum.blogspot.com/2021/06/you-sank-my-aircraft-carrier-did.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It never happened in an exercise before&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps never with AMERICAN forces:</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the events historians have pointed to as evidence of the Imperial General Staff&#8217;s superiority complex is the war game held aboard the battleship Yamato from May 1-4. Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku hosted this tabletop exercise and invited all of the senior commanders involved in Operation MI to participate. His chief of staff, Rear Admiral Ugaki Matome, ran the game and served as the chief umpire. In theory, the purpose of the exercise was to fight out the battle on paper first and expose any flaws in the Japanese plan so they could be corrected before launching the actual operation. This game, however, seems to have been treated as a formality rather than a serious tool for improving operational plans. In their book &#8220;Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway&#8221;, authors Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully described the game as &#8220;four days of scripted silliness&#8221; and &#8220;a mockery of professional staff work.&#8221;"</p>
<p>&#8220;One incident during the game that proved especially notorious occurred soon after the Japanese carrier force, known as the Kido Butai, was spotted. The player controlling the U.S. forces (whose name is lost to history) sent a flight of land-based bombers from Midway to attack the carriers. The game umpire rolled a pair of dice to determine how many hits were scored. The result of nine was enough to sink two carriers, Akagi and Kaga. To Admiral Ugaki&#8217;s mind, however, that was ludicrous. He did not believe the Americans would be so aggressive. Even if they were, he was confident the Japanese carriers would be up to the task of defending themselves. He overruled the umpire and reduced the result to just three hits, meaning that Akagi was still afloat. The destruction of Kaga stood for now, but even it reappeared in a later game covering the subsequent operation planned for New Caledonia and the Fiji Islands.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://navalwarcollegemuseum.blogspot.com/2021/06/you-sank-my-aircraft-carrier-did.html" >https://navalwarcollegemuseum.blogspot.com/2021/06/you-sank-my-aircraft-carrier-did.html</a></p>
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