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	<title>Comments on: The entire network costs less than a pair of Patriot air-defense missiles</title>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason why this sort of early warning systems cannot become a game-changer is that a strong counter is no-brainer: churn out UAV that are good gliders. The longer they can move with props off, the deeper they can penetrate in complete silence. This would not cost much more, seeing how much can be done (and was done by the hobbyists for decades) with thin plastic film over plastic or wood.
The return of tarp &amp; wood, yes. :]

&lt;blockquote&gt;UGS Unattended Ground Sensors were developed for the old, defunct FCS program. Bet the UGS cost more than $500/ea.
&lt;/blockquote&gt; With good old Pentagon Pricing? No bet. Seeing how a toilet seat was purchased for $640. “Anyone who buys this paperback for $4.95 gets a $2,043 nut free.”© Christopher Cerf &amp; Henry Beard. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;OTOH, I do not believe the claim of 80/84 interceptions for one minute.
&lt;/blockquote&gt; As usual, yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why this sort of early warning systems cannot become a game-changer is that a strong counter is no-brainer: churn out UAV that are good gliders. The longer they can move with props off, the deeper they can penetrate in complete silence. This would not cost much more, seeing how much can be done (and was done by the hobbyists for decades) with thin plastic film over plastic or wood.<br />
The return of tarp &amp; wood, yes. :]</p>
<blockquote><p>UGS Unattended Ground Sensors were developed for the old, defunct FCS program. Bet the UGS cost more than $500/ea.
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<p> With good old Pentagon Pricing? No bet. Seeing how a toilet seat was purchased for $640. “Anyone who buys this paperback for $4.95 gets a $2,043 nut free.”© Christopher Cerf &amp; Henry Beard. </p>
<blockquote><p>OTOH, I do not believe the claim of 80/84 interceptions for one minute.
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<p> As usual, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: McChuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>McChuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 11:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Brits invented acoustic targeting during The Troubles.  They hooked up an automated quad-.50 to their sensor system in Bosnia for counter-sniper purposes.  It worked a treat!

There is no reason a similar (but improved by 30 years) system couldn&#039;t be hooked up to something like a 40mm Bofors with proximity fused shells.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brits invented acoustic targeting during The Troubles.  They hooked up an automated quad-.50 to their sensor system in Bosnia for counter-sniper purposes.  It worked a treat!</p>
<p>There is no reason a similar (but improved by 30 years) system couldn&#8217;t be hooked up to something like a 40mm Bofors with proximity fused shells.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ukrainian resilience is genuinely impressive. It&#039;s amazing what a helping of Jew-organized neo-Nazism can do to advance long-term goy operational effectiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ukrainian resilience is genuinely impressive. It&#8217;s amazing what a helping of Jew-organized neo-Nazism can do to advance long-term goy operational effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/weapons/ukraine-conflict-ukrainian-air-defence-employs-passive-sensors-for-detection-and-tracking&quot;&gt;Janes&lt;/a&gt; explains a bit more: 

&lt;blockquote&gt; Speaking at SAE Media Group&#039;s Air and Missile Defence conference in London, the representatives said the Skyfortress detection and tracking system combines cheap and domestically designed passive sensors to detect, track, and classify airborne threats. It consists of an array of acoustic sensors that gather information and feed this into Ukraine&#039;s national air-defence command-and-control network, known as ‘Virazh&#039;.

The deployment of thousands of sensors in areas close to the front lines in Ukraine began in the winter of 2022. Each sensor is housed in an approximately 30×30×5 cm box that includes a commercially available Android smartphone, which enables access to the internet via local mobile networks. The phone is switched on continuously and is used to record the surrounding environment in order to detect the sounds of incoming aerial targets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/weapons/ukraine-conflict-ukrainian-air-defence-employs-passive-sensors-for-detection-and-tracking">Janes</a> explains a bit more: </p>
<blockquote><p> Speaking at SAE Media Group&#8217;s Air and Missile Defence conference in London, the representatives said the Skyfortress detection and tracking system combines cheap and domestically designed passive sensors to detect, track, and classify airborne threats. It consists of an array of acoustic sensors that gather information and feed this into Ukraine&#8217;s national air-defence command-and-control network, known as ‘Virazh&#8217;.</p>
<p>The deployment of thousands of sensors in areas close to the front lines in Ukraine began in the winter of 2022. Each sensor is housed in an approximately 30×30×5 cm box that includes a commercially available Android smartphone, which enables access to the internet via local mobile networks. The phone is switched on continuously and is used to record the surrounding environment in order to detect the sounds of incoming aerial targets.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the antiaircraft gun aimed by the system, or does a human need to aim it? If the latter, it’s hard to imagine that 6 hours of training would be sufficient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the antiaircraft gun aimed by the system, or does a human need to aim it? If the latter, it’s hard to imagine that 6 hours of training would be sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roo_ster, UGS! A long time ago, my unit placed a number of them near the Syrian border. Lots of false positives from driven herds of sheep, but occasionally they would help detect an incursion attempt under cover of darkness.  The things were pricy in part because of the need for long battery life and the ability to phone home data via secure satellite comms.  The Syrians found one and dug it up, and while this is no big deal today, at the time it was not cheap for it to be able to send it&#039;s location history on its journey to Damascus and then to somewhere in Russia before it went dead.  Dasvidaniya little buddy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roo_ster, UGS! A long time ago, my unit placed a number of them near the Syrian border. Lots of false positives from driven herds of sheep, but occasionally they would help detect an incursion attempt under cover of darkness.  The things were pricy in part because of the need for long battery life and the ability to phone home data via secure satellite comms.  The Syrians found one and dug it up, and while this is no big deal today, at the time it was not cheap for it to be able to send it&#8217;s location history on its journey to Damascus and then to somewhere in Russia before it went dead.  Dasvidaniya little buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Roo_ster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roo_ster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UGS Unattended Ground Sensors were developed for the old, defunct FCS program.  Bet the UGS cost more than $500/ea.  OTOH, I do not believe the claim of 80/84 interceptions for one minute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UGS Unattended Ground Sensors were developed for the old, defunct FCS program.  Bet the UGS cost more than $500/ea.  OTOH, I do not believe the claim of 80/84 interceptions for one minute.</p>
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