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	<title>Comments on: Much of the Vietnam debacle has been repeated on Ukraine</title>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I never thought Putin would invade Ukraine&lt;/blockquote&gt; Duuude… The Clown loyalists openly stated all signs point to “invasion” at least in Jan 2022, even if they had to do a few contortions around the reasons (being obligated to paint the puppeteers as naive sheeple). Consider: https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/01/18/will-russia-invade-ukraine/comment-page-1/

More to the point — a little earlier or a little later, but what else could possibly happen there? A Color Revolution, then “Mother of All Proxy Armies” (© William Schryver) is built up to NATO proxy standards, then… a few more kickbacks, thumb twiddling, and a nothingburger? Or what?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Everyone who hated Ukrainians went to the Russian side, everyone who hated Russians went to the Ukrainian side, it was as good as things would ever get.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Lolwut. Why do you expect “dem feelz” to even matter? Countries generally are not ruled by little kids, even if the TV talking heads occasionally give such an impression.

&lt;blockquote&gt;When Putin invaded, I thought the tough Slavs in Russia would roll right through.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What for? Even in the best case, that is if “roll right through” approach worked without a hitch (never a safe bet), the next step is obvious. We expect bears to shit in the woods, rather than seeking an outhouse; likewise, USA State Department and their ilk can be expected to create and maintain ugly clones of the Balkan mess. So why take risks when the likely “prize” is the next Chechnya (or worse) the next door?

Besides, when the next opportunity to debug and field-test air defenses against Storm Shadow etc would present itself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I never thought Putin would invade Ukraine</p></blockquote>
<p> Duuude… The Clown loyalists openly stated all signs point to “invasion” at least in Jan 2022, even if they had to do a few contortions around the reasons (being obligated to paint the puppeteers as naive sheeple). Consider: <a href="https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/01/18/will-russia-invade-ukraine/comment-page-1/" >https://jrnyquist.blog/2022/01/18/will-russia-invade-ukraine/comment-page-1/</a></p>
<p>More to the point — a little earlier or a little later, but what else could possibly happen there? A Color Revolution, then “Mother of All Proxy Armies” (© William Schryver) is built up to NATO proxy standards, then… a few more kickbacks, thumb twiddling, and a nothingburger? Or what?</p>
<blockquote><p>Everyone who hated Ukrainians went to the Russian side, everyone who hated Russians went to the Ukrainian side, it was as good as things would ever get.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lolwut. Why do you expect “dem feelz” to even matter? Countries generally are not ruled by little kids, even if the TV talking heads occasionally give such an impression.</p>
<blockquote><p>When Putin invaded, I thought the tough Slavs in Russia would roll right through.</p></blockquote>
<p>What for? Even in the best case, that is if “roll right through” approach worked without a hitch (never a safe bet), the next step is obvious. We expect bears to shit in the woods, rather than seeking an outhouse; likewise, USA State Department and their ilk can be expected to create and maintain ugly clones of the Balkan mess. So why take risks when the likely “prize” is the next Chechnya (or worse) the next door?</p>
<p>Besides, when the next opportunity to debug and field-test air defenses against Storm Shadow etc would present itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Kek the Frog God</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kek the Frog God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2024 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I never thought Putin would invade Ukraine…”

Ironic, isn&#039;t it? All the people saying “CIA coup” were surprised by reality, while the OSINT autists and people who gave a damn about ordinary white farmers saw it coming a decade earlier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I never thought Putin would invade Ukraine…”</p>
<p>Ironic, isn&#8217;t it? All the people saying “CIA coup” were surprised by reality, while the OSINT autists and people who gave a damn about ordinary white farmers saw it coming a decade earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cummings is smart, and might be right.

But In the Ukraine, the CIA coup (or uprising of concerned citizens) that installed Zelensky&#039;s dictatorship (or democracy that&#039;s in a tight spot and can&#039;t afford elections) and expelled Russian ethnics (or those dastards just felt like travelling), the CIA coup was a marvel of competence compared to any others since CIA started. 

I never thought Putin would invade Ukraine. Everyone who hated Ukrainians went to the Russian side, everyone who hated Russians went to the Ukrainian side, it was as good as things would ever get. When Putin invaded, I thought the tough Slavs in Russia would roll right through. I forgot Ukrainians are tough Slavs also.

This war could end in total victory for Russia tomorrow, but Ukrainia has fought way above it&#039;s weight. 

Every US politician bribed by the Ukrainians has earned out the investment. Soros must be proud. It&#039;s all run much better than the US bungling in Vietnam, and I suspect that well-bribed US politicians account for the difference. Aside from something about LBJ&#039;s wife getting some rubber plantations, I haven&#039;t heard anything about US politicians getting bribed to support the Vietnam war.

It&#039;s a lesson to the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummings is smart, and might be right.</p>
<p>But In the Ukraine, the CIA coup (or uprising of concerned citizens) that installed Zelensky&#8217;s dictatorship (or democracy that&#8217;s in a tight spot and can&#8217;t afford elections) and expelled Russian ethnics (or those dastards just felt like travelling), the CIA coup was a marvel of competence compared to any others since CIA started. </p>
<p>I never thought Putin would invade Ukraine. Everyone who hated Ukrainians went to the Russian side, everyone who hated Russians went to the Ukrainian side, it was as good as things would ever get. When Putin invaded, I thought the tough Slavs in Russia would roll right through. I forgot Ukrainians are tough Slavs also.</p>
<p>This war could end in total victory for Russia tomorrow, but Ukrainia has fought way above it&#8217;s weight. </p>
<p>Every US politician bribed by the Ukrainians has earned out the investment. Soros must be proud. It&#8217;s all run much better than the US bungling in Vietnam, and I suspect that well-bribed US politicians account for the difference. Aside from something about LBJ&#8217;s wife getting some rubber plantations, I haven&#8217;t heard anything about US politicians getting bribed to support the Vietnam war.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lesson to the world.</p>
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