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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2024 05:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just noticed from Wiki the author of &#039;Vampire&#039; was  a Nazi. Huh. Mildly surprised. It&#039;s not like reading Ludendorff. In hindsight I remember the use of &#039;Chosen People&#039; to describe how the author thinks the Brits think of themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed from Wiki the author of &#8216;Vampire&#8217; was  a Nazi. Huh. Mildly surprised. It&#8217;s not like reading Ludendorff. In hindsight I remember the use of &#8216;Chosen People&#8217; to describe how the author thinks the Brits think of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2024 04:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read &#039;The Vampire of the Continent&#039; on Beholder&#039;s recommendation. Reminded me of &#039;The German Talks Back&#039;, a book Morgenthau got published after WWII and Heinlein thought should be read. An annoyed German&#039;s potted history of England up to 1916, England being evil, plutocratic, and miraculously good at ridiculous propaganda.

The British Isles spent 1500-1850 as a perfectly-placed pirate base against Western Europe, the Brits took advantage, &#039;The Vampire&#039; gets that right.

Claims the Brits for assassinated the Tsar who tried to stay neutral in the Napoleonic Wars. Could be.

British economic interests won the Napoleonic Wars bigly, he&#039;s right there. Blucher&#039;s remark that what was won by the sword was lost by the pen at the Congress of Vienna. Certainly the Brits let the French back up real quick after Waterloo.

Blames perfid Albion for the Italian invasion of Abyssinia. Hmm.

Claims the British wanted to invade Germany through Belgium. I think the Brits knew they didn&#039;t have the numbers.

Blames perfid Albion for splitting Norway from Sweden. Huh.

Wants to invade India (1916) by sending an army down the Turkish railroads to knock over Suez, then march East! Yes! Anyway, a great help for TE Lawrence budget requests.

Haldane, pre-WWI British War Minister, popular in Germany for translating Schopenhauer, appears as a fiendish Brit due to his &#039;Haldane Mission&#039; seeking detente with Germany. JBS Haldane&#039;s uncle.

A good source for alt-history. Probably about as accurate as &#039;Our Island Story&#039;- style British histories of the period. William H McnNiel&#039;s view of nation-states as macroparasites on humans kept coming to mind as I read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read &#8216;The Vampire of the Continent&#8217; on Beholder&#8217;s recommendation. Reminded me of &#8216;The German Talks Back&#8217;, a book Morgenthau got published after WWII and Heinlein thought should be read. An annoyed German&#8217;s potted history of England up to 1916, England being evil, plutocratic, and miraculously good at ridiculous propaganda.</p>
<p>The British Isles spent 1500-1850 as a perfectly-placed pirate base against Western Europe, the Brits took advantage, &#8216;The Vampire&#8217; gets that right.</p>
<p>Claims the Brits for assassinated the Tsar who tried to stay neutral in the Napoleonic Wars. Could be.</p>
<p>British economic interests won the Napoleonic Wars bigly, he&#8217;s right there. Blucher&#8217;s remark that what was won by the sword was lost by the pen at the Congress of Vienna. Certainly the Brits let the French back up real quick after Waterloo.</p>
<p>Blames perfid Albion for the Italian invasion of Abyssinia. Hmm.</p>
<p>Claims the British wanted to invade Germany through Belgium. I think the Brits knew they didn&#8217;t have the numbers.</p>
<p>Blames perfid Albion for splitting Norway from Sweden. Huh.</p>
<p>Wants to invade India (1916) by sending an army down the Turkish railroads to knock over Suez, then march East! Yes! Anyway, a great help for TE Lawrence budget requests.</p>
<p>Haldane, pre-WWI British War Minister, popular in Germany for translating Schopenhauer, appears as a fiendish Brit due to his &#8216;Haldane Mission&#8217; seeking detente with Germany. JBS Haldane&#8217;s uncle.</p>
<p>A good source for alt-history. Probably about as accurate as &#8216;Our Island Story&#8217;- style British histories of the period. William H McnNiel&#8217;s view of nation-states as macroparasites on humans kept coming to mind as I read.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2024 09:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed.

As to Napoleon, he did learn. He understood he cannot contest the seas head-on, so the next thing he tried was to weaken the Brits (specifically including their Navy) indirectly, via their economical colonies.

Why do you think he went to Russia of all places? Because so much hemp and timber went to England from Russia, it redefined local economy and internal politics.

Hence genuine popularity of monarchy in Russia: the common interest of the crown and the peasants was to stop the land-owning aristocracy running the place as an attachment to British economy. Hence assassination of Pavel I after he made a move to tax these exports hard, and eventually tariff wars and reforms of Alexander II. 

Going for a symbolic objective (Moscow) was a less sensible idea, of course.

Likewise, Napoleon’s strange dances with Americans had a simple reason: the Southern States were a big British supplier (mainly of cotton). Hence industrial North attaching the issue of slavery to American Civil War: they wanted to crush the export economy of South, reduce its import, open the market for themselves. Hence Napoleon’s attempts both to interfere with the American trade (capturing ships!) and to work with those American colonists who tried to divorce their economy from England.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>As to Napoleon, he did learn. He understood he cannot contest the seas head-on, so the next thing he tried was to weaken the Brits (specifically including their Navy) indirectly, via their economical colonies.</p>
<p>Why do you think he went to Russia of all places? Because so much hemp and timber went to England from Russia, it redefined local economy and internal politics.</p>
<p>Hence genuine popularity of monarchy in Russia: the common interest of the crown and the peasants was to stop the land-owning aristocracy running the place as an attachment to British economy. Hence assassination of Pavel I after he made a move to tax these exports hard, and eventually tariff wars and reforms of Alexander II. </p>
<p>Going for a symbolic objective (Moscow) was a less sensible idea, of course.</p>
<p>Likewise, Napoleon’s strange dances with Americans had a simple reason: the Southern States were a big British supplier (mainly of cotton). Hence industrial North attaching the issue of slavery to American Civil War: they wanted to crush the export economy of South, reduce its import, open the market for themselves. Hence Napoleon’s attempts both to interfere with the American trade (capturing ships!) and to work with those American colonists who tried to divorce their economy from England.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2024 05:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bought &#039;The Vampire&#039; on T. Beholder&#039;s recommendation. WWI agitprop is wildly better than any political stuff since. I recommend Ford Maddox Ford&#039;s &#039;Between St Denis and St George&#039; to anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bought &#8216;The Vampire&#8217; on T. Beholder&#8217;s recommendation. WWI agitprop is wildly better than any political stuff since. I recommend Ford Maddox Ford&#8217;s &#8216;Between St Denis and St George&#8217; to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Beholder</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce says, “The British Navy was a side effect of the British merchant fleet, which was huge.”

Count Ernst Reventlow had the opposite notion, and he backed it with a whole book, &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/4ag7I0l&quot;&gt;The Vampire of the Continent&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce says, “The British Navy was a side effect of the British merchant fleet, which was huge.”</p>
<p>Count Ernst Reventlow had the opposite notion, and he backed it with a whole book, <a href="https://amzn.to/4ag7I0l">The Vampire of the Continent</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 20:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The British Navy was a side effect of the British merchant fleet, which was huge. And half the British merchant fleet 1750 was built in the American colonies. After we seceded, a lot of British ships of the line were built in India. Just getting across the Atlantic, or back from India, gave a good shakedown cruise. These were pros. The French spent the Napoleonic wasrs putting out from port to face pros.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British Navy was a side effect of the British merchant fleet, which was huge. And half the British merchant fleet 1750 was built in the American colonies. After we seceded, a lot of British ships of the line were built in India. Just getting across the Atlantic, or back from India, gave a good shakedown cruise. These were pros. The French spent the Napoleonic wasrs putting out from port to face pros.</p>
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