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	<title>Comments on: The average IQ was 100, at least four standard deviations below theirs</title>
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		<title>By: Phileas Frogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phileas Frogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to admit I enjoyed school, but then again I was fortunate enough to find a group of friends very similarly disposed to myself, and was again fortunate in that the teachers essentially left us to our own devices.

Dan would get every math assignment for the quarter from the teacher on the first day and ignore the lessons and simply do all of the assignments in a week or two during class, have them filed, turn them in at the required time, and then spend the rest of the quarter reading books or drawing or programming, except for exam days, which he always passed with ease.

I would read far ahead of the assigned readings for English, and then just skim 10 minutes before hand to refresh myself on the day of the exams. During discussions Mike, Dan, Ryan and I would essentially just have a 4 person discussion about the books and ignored almost everyone else. We learned how to play devil&#039;s advocate and that you could essentially argue anything with the right rhetorical tools.

We also would read books together and discuss them, spontaneously. There was no coordination, just that someone would find something good, recommend it, and within a few days everyone would be reading it. We averaged about 90 books a year with this model.

Dan and I would practice our French because almost no one else took the class and it amused us to be able to speak so that no one else would understand us. I can still read French fairly well, despite having not really used it or looked at it in almost 2 decades. Speaking is a train-wreck though.

I guess, upon reflection, I didn&#039;t really like school, I just liked my group of friends, was stimulated by their company, and enjoyed the fact that we were mostly left alone to learn and teach one another.

Huh. Yea, you all win, school blows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I enjoyed school, but then again I was fortunate enough to find a group of friends very similarly disposed to myself, and was again fortunate in that the teachers essentially left us to our own devices.</p>
<p>Dan would get every math assignment for the quarter from the teacher on the first day and ignore the lessons and simply do all of the assignments in a week or two during class, have them filed, turn them in at the required time, and then spend the rest of the quarter reading books or drawing or programming, except for exam days, which he always passed with ease.</p>
<p>I would read far ahead of the assigned readings for English, and then just skim 10 minutes before hand to refresh myself on the day of the exams. During discussions Mike, Dan, Ryan and I would essentially just have a 4 person discussion about the books and ignored almost everyone else. We learned how to play devil&#8217;s advocate and that you could essentially argue anything with the right rhetorical tools.</p>
<p>We also would read books together and discuss them, spontaneously. There was no coordination, just that someone would find something good, recommend it, and within a few days everyone would be reading it. We averaged about 90 books a year with this model.</p>
<p>Dan and I would practice our French because almost no one else took the class and it amused us to be able to speak so that no one else would understand us. I can still read French fairly well, despite having not really used it or looked at it in almost 2 decades. Speaking is a train-wreck though.</p>
<p>I guess, upon reflection, I didn&#8217;t really like school, I just liked my group of friends, was stimulated by their company, and enjoyed the fact that we were mostly left alone to learn and teach one another.</p>
<p>Huh. Yea, you all win, school blows.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also hated school teaching.  Seldom had I a teacher who deserved the title.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also hated school teaching.  Seldom had I a teacher who deserved the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2024 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael strikes at the heart of the matter.

School is child prison. For smart boys, school is literally worse than the Holocaust.

Call me an Abolitionist because I will NEVER FORGET.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael strikes at the heart of the matter.</p>
<p>School is child prison. For smart boys, school is literally worse than the Holocaust.</p>
<p>Call me an Abolitionist because I will NEVER FORGET.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Riet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Riet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2024 08:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart children denied promotion learn quickly to do the minimum to get by. When my history teacher begged me to try harder, to please him I started studying the afternoon before the exam instead of the night before. Some children have nourishing home environments and after school hours can escape into the company of others like them. A lot do not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart children denied promotion learn quickly to do the minimum to get by. When my history teacher begged me to try harder, to please him I started studying the afternoon before the exam instead of the night before. Some children have nourishing home environments and after school hours can escape into the company of others like them. A lot do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2024 01:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Mensa has attracted losers since its founding.” Indeed, Gwern. Indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Mensa has attracted losers since its founding.” Indeed, Gwern. Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gwern, why would you send smart children to listen to lectures given poorly by marginally literate teachers and socialize with America&#039;s finest future nobodies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwern, why would you send smart children to listen to lectures given poorly by marginally literate teachers and socialize with America&#8217;s finest future nobodies?</p>
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		<title>By: Gwern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Gross was right about acceleration/supplementation often being a good idea, she was wrong about much of the rest, in particular the reason people keep citing her these days in conjunction with Karpinski (which is usually to argue that high IQ kids are either crazy or made crazy). Her results are just a selection effect from ad hoc recruiting from child psychologists and the like - it is no surprise that she gets the most dysfunctional kids screened through this way, and that more systematic surveys like SMPY do not yield the same sort of results. (The SMPY kids, for example, very often fit in fine with their classmates, and so it is scarcely an &#039;appalling&#039; proposal.) She should also have known better than to claim to have found an entire third of all the kids given that high IQ scores are not normally distributed and there tends to be an excess, so she probably found substantially less (implying it&#039;s even more skewed).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Gross was right about acceleration/supplementation often being a good idea, she was wrong about much of the rest, in particular the reason people keep citing her these days in conjunction with Karpinski (which is usually to argue that high IQ kids are either crazy or made crazy). Her results are just a selection effect from ad hoc recruiting from child psychologists and the like &#8211; it is no surprise that she gets the most dysfunctional kids screened through this way, and that more systematic surveys like SMPY do not yield the same sort of results. (The SMPY kids, for example, very often fit in fine with their classmates, and so it is scarcely an &#8216;appalling&#8217; proposal.) She should also have known better than to claim to have found an entire third of all the kids given that high IQ scores are not normally distributed and there tends to be an excess, so she probably found substantially less (implying it&#8217;s even more skewed).</p>
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