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	<title>Comments on: The key to Sicily was the narrow Strait of Messina</title>
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		<title>By: Bomag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bomag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2023 18:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;”But even if we assume that some stalemate could be achieved in the west, what good would that do Germany with Stalin marching in from the east? That still leaves a surrounded Germany being reduced to rubble from the air, increasingly short on food, manpower, oil, and other vital resources.”&lt;/i&gt;

I suppose the thinking was that an eastern stalemate along Belarus/Ukraine; and western invasions stopped on the beaches; there would have been enough resources for an indefinite holdout towards a peace with a remnant of empire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>”But even if we assume that some stalemate could be achieved in the west, what good would that do Germany with Stalin marching in from the east? That still leaves a surrounded Germany being reduced to rubble from the air, increasingly short on food, manpower, oil, and other vital resources.”</i></p>
<p>I suppose the thinking was that an eastern stalemate along Belarus/Ukraine; and western invasions stopped on the beaches; there would have been enough resources for an indefinite holdout towards a peace with a remnant of empire.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 23:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Victory, of course, no longer was possible. But Germany might have achieved a standstill in the west if Hitler had transferred much of his army and air force to challenge landings by the western Allies.&quot;

First, by late, pretty much the entire Luftwaffe was fighting over Germany trying to mitigate the damage from bombing, so there were no air forces to spare.  Second, the Germans did transfer a lot of their strength and many of their best units and supplies, to the west.  It wasn&#039;t enough, and it was never going to be enough because no matter how many divisions the Germans sent to the west, they were going to get obliterated by allied air power.  

But even if we assume that some stalemate could be achieved in the west, what good would that do Germany with Stalin marching in from the east?  That still leaves a surrounded Germany being reduced to rubble from the air, increasingly short on food, manpower, oil, and other vital resources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Victory, of course, no longer was possible. But Germany might have achieved a standstill in the west if Hitler had transferred much of his army and air force to challenge landings by the western Allies.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, by late, pretty much the entire Luftwaffe was fighting over Germany trying to mitigate the damage from bombing, so there were no air forces to spare.  Second, the Germans did transfer a lot of their strength and many of their best units and supplies, to the west.  It wasn&#8217;t enough, and it was never going to be enough because no matter how many divisions the Germans sent to the west, they were going to get obliterated by allied air power.  </p>
<p>But even if we assume that some stalemate could be achieved in the west, what good would that do Germany with Stalin marching in from the east?  That still leaves a surrounded Germany being reduced to rubble from the air, increasingly short on food, manpower, oil, and other vital resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the German side (and specifically Hitler) made some bad mistakes.  But WWII was mainly Germany, Italy, Japan versus the British Empire, USSR, and USA.  Hitler&#039;s side was out-numbered, out-resourced, out-produced.  Hence the Allies eventually won -- despite making many of their own mistakes.

It is basically the same dynamic we are seeing today in the Ukraine.  Absent some real military snafus, the side with the greater active manpower, accessible resources, and domestic production capacity is likely to prevail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the German side (and specifically Hitler) made some bad mistakes.  But WWII was mainly Germany, Italy, Japan versus the British Empire, USSR, and USA.  Hitler&#8217;s side was out-numbered, out-resourced, out-produced.  Hence the Allies eventually won &#8212; despite making many of their own mistakes.</p>
<p>It is basically the same dynamic we are seeing today in the Ukraine.  Absent some real military snafus, the side with the greater active manpower, accessible resources, and domestic production capacity is likely to prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 21:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Husky was the biggest naval invasion in history. Most think it was D Day.

The reason for Sicily was the same as Salerno. Air power cover.

I would probably have taken Sardinia and Corsica and then made a strong landing in Southern France (bigger than operation Dragoon) or in western Italy, above Rome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Husky was the biggest naval invasion in history. Most think it was D Day.</p>
<p>The reason for Sicily was the same as Salerno. Air power cover.</p>
<p>I would probably have taken Sardinia and Corsica and then made a strong landing in Southern France (bigger than operation Dragoon) or in western Italy, above Rome.</p>
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