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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2023 03:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an anecdote that keeps getting repeated.

The late Colonel Gaddafi (pbuh) found the same thing out in the Chaddian misadventure, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an anecdote that keeps getting repeated.</p>
<p>The late Colonel Gaddafi (pbuh) found the same thing out in the Chaddian misadventure, too.</p>
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		<title>By: vxxc</title>
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		<dc:creator>vxxc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2023 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niche market in war, won&#039;t deny.   
Replacement for tanks lol lmao. 
Once you see some Turks got unlucky and..some ISIS guys took them out with antitank weapons.
That&#039;s not tactics, it&#039;s an anecdote.
The bike had nothing to do with it except transport and the antitank weapons aren&#039;t fired from the bike, are they?
Transport isn&#039;t irrelevant but it&#039;s not fighting. 

It could, could have a niche as mounted infantry - travel fast on bikes, fight dismounted.  This I can see. 

Waiting to hear the logistics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niche market in war, won&#8217;t deny.<br />
Replacement for tanks lol lmao.<br />
Once you see some Turks got unlucky and..some ISIS guys took them out with antitank weapons.<br />
That&#8217;s not tactics, it&#8217;s an anecdote.<br />
The bike had nothing to do with it except transport and the antitank weapons aren&#8217;t fired from the bike, are they?<br />
Transport isn&#8217;t irrelevant but it&#8217;s not fighting. </p>
<p>It could, could have a niche as mounted infantry &#8211; travel fast on bikes, fight dismounted.  This I can see. </p>
<p>Waiting to hear the logistics.</p>
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		<title>By: TRX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2023 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tuchman commented on the effectiveness of motorcycle patrols in &quot;The Guns of August.&quot;  Others have mentioned how effective bicycles were as well, for both the French and Germans.  And German soldiers made effective use of bicycles in WWII as well.  A bicycle is nearly silent, will carry as much as a motorcycle, needs no fuel, and it&#039;s so cheap it&#039;s basically disposable, compared to the cost of equipping a soldier and getting him into position.

Also, the US Army has been using (mostly Kawasaki) motorcycles in some special ops units since the 1990s.  Newer ones come already set up to take the same Diesel fuel other military vehicles use.  Standard training involves dropping the bike and its rider by parachute into the woods at night, and having them orienteer their way out in the dark, using night vision equipment.  At least, that&#039;s how they were doing it 20-odd years ago; they&#039;d probably have fancy GPS equipment and much better NV now.  The old stuff had considerable display lag; okay for a soldier on foot, a serious problem on a motorcycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuchman commented on the effectiveness of motorcycle patrols in &#8220;The Guns of August.&#8221;  Others have mentioned how effective bicycles were as well, for both the French and Germans.  And German soldiers made effective use of bicycles in WWII as well.  A bicycle is nearly silent, will carry as much as a motorcycle, needs no fuel, and it&#8217;s so cheap it&#8217;s basically disposable, compared to the cost of equipping a soldier and getting him into position.</p>
<p>Also, the US Army has been using (mostly Kawasaki) motorcycles in some special ops units since the 1990s.  Newer ones come already set up to take the same Diesel fuel other military vehicles use.  Standard training involves dropping the bike and its rider by parachute into the woods at night, and having them orienteer their way out in the dark, using night vision equipment.  At least, that&#8217;s how they were doing it 20-odd years ago; they&#8217;d probably have fancy GPS equipment and much better NV now.  The old stuff had considerable display lag; okay for a soldier on foot, a serious problem on a motorcycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Ullan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ullan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2023 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I picture light jeeps, with kevlar armour able to stop bullets and fragments, with a 4-5 man crew. More cost effective than 4-5 motorbikes, keeps a fire team together and can carry more gear. High tech technicals seems the way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I picture light jeeps, with kevlar armour able to stop bullets and fragments, with a 4-5 man crew. More cost effective than 4-5 motorbikes, keeps a fire team together and can carry more gear. High tech technicals seems the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2023 05:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest and baddest Leopard 2&#039;s didn&#039;t help the turks much when they got btfoed by a bunch of isis with toyotas and recoiless rifles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest and baddest Leopard 2&#8242;s didn&#8217;t help the turks much when they got btfoed by a bunch of isis with toyotas and recoiless rifles.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2023 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK,

What does it do when it comes to a tank? In fact what does 500 of these Bike Infantry or Bike Cav do when they come to a tank? Even one tank? The insurgents if they could get tanks would be in tanks. 

That&#039;s tactics.

Now please explain the logistics? You know, petrol?

As others pointed out, the noise. Loud.

About that medevac…you lined that up, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,</p>
<p>What does it do when it comes to a tank? In fact what does 500 of these Bike Infantry or Bike Cav do when they come to a tank? Even one tank? The insurgents if they could get tanks would be in tanks. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s tactics.</p>
<p>Now please explain the logistics? You know, petrol?</p>
<p>As others pointed out, the noise. Loud.</p>
<p>About that medevac…you lined that up, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2023 01:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The omnipresence of gayto&#039;s legacy ISR overwatch systems providing detailed information on all but all Russian force movements and asset locations was a major factor behind the Kievian colonial administration&#039;s ability to stay in the war during the early months.

Radar returns are relevant since it relates to the ability of orbiting synthetic aperture radar satellites to distinguish objects of interest from uninteresting background clutter, which provides instantaneous detection of force movements in a way that can be more difficult via passive opto-electronic sensors, especially with regards to night time and overcast conditions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The omnipresence of gayto&#8217;s legacy ISR overwatch systems providing detailed information on all but all Russian force movements and asset locations was a major factor behind the Kievian colonial administration&#8217;s ability to stay in the war during the early months.</p>
<p>Radar returns are relevant since it relates to the ability of orbiting synthetic aperture radar satellites to distinguish objects of interest from uninteresting background clutter, which provides instantaneous detection of force movements in a way that can be more difficult via passive opto-electronic sensors, especially with regards to night time and overcast conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2023 01:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“There’s nothing inherently dangerous about a dirt bike of any size. Anyone who says otherwise is a huge pussy.”

I am sympathetic to this point of view. Then again, the facts of the matter don&#039;t support it. More people get more injuries more frequently using motorcycles than any other &#039;peaceful&#039; activity there is beyond extremely niche edgecases and it&#039;s not even close. It is what it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There’s nothing inherently dangerous about a dirt bike of any size. Anyone who says otherwise is a huge pussy.”</p>
<p>I am sympathetic to this point of view. Then again, the facts of the matter don&#8217;t support it. More people get more injuries more frequently using motorcycles than any other &#8216;peaceful&#8217; activity there is beyond extremely niche edgecases and it&#8217;s not even close. It is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2023 21:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There’s nothing inherently dangerous about a dirt bike of any size. Anyone who says otherwise is a huge pussy.

“Stealth” in the sense of radar or satellite-image cross-section or the like doesn’t matter. I don’t know why the U.S. military communitariat so obsess about something that matters so little. The first thing that’s discarded when fighting gets hot is the pretense that your opponent doesn’t know where you are. Your opponent not knowing your position because you move more quickly or complexly then they can update their knowledge of your position is something else.

Ten dirt bikes on the move aren’t subtle, but what’s suitably less subtle than ten dirt bikes is ten thousand dirt bikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s nothing inherently dangerous about a dirt bike of any size. Anyone who says otherwise is a huge pussy.</p>
<p>“Stealth” in the sense of radar or satellite-image cross-section or the like doesn’t matter. I don’t know why the U.S. military communitariat so obsess about something that matters so little. The first thing that’s discarded when fighting gets hot is the pretense that your opponent doesn’t know where you are. Your opponent not knowing your position because you move more quickly or complexly then they can update their knowledge of your position is something else.</p>
<p>Ten dirt bikes on the move aren’t subtle, but what’s suitably less subtle than ten dirt bikes is ten thousand dirt bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-CHrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-CHrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2023 03:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most obvious factor in a motorcycle&#039;s danger is the fact that it has dynamic stability, but no inherent stability. Which raises the equally obvious solution in the form of trike or ATV configurations.

The second most obvious factor is speed. Motorcycles can often be dangerous in a way bicycles are often not dangerous, because the former can go a lot faster than the later. More speed, more force, more chance for injury and death if you take a spill.

A traveler can move himself around on a bicycle far more efficiently than if he marched the same distance with the same weight on foot. Going up and down elevated terrain is still a pain though. Therefore, the obvious solution is motor-assisted bikes, where pedal and gas power can be combined. Even smaller and cheaper to operate than a motorcycle, with the same overland mobility. You lose out in top speed on straightaways - but then again, that was the whole point.

A third, perhaps rather unobvious solution to the dangers of bike dragoons, is reintroducing suits of plate as standard battledress, to provide full body protection in the event of spills. Neo-hussars are a go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most obvious factor in a motorcycle&#8217;s danger is the fact that it has dynamic stability, but no inherent stability. Which raises the equally obvious solution in the form of trike or ATV configurations.</p>
<p>The second most obvious factor is speed. Motorcycles can often be dangerous in a way bicycles are often not dangerous, because the former can go a lot faster than the later. More speed, more force, more chance for injury and death if you take a spill.</p>
<p>A traveler can move himself around on a bicycle far more efficiently than if he marched the same distance with the same weight on foot. Going up and down elevated terrain is still a pain though. Therefore, the obvious solution is motor-assisted bikes, where pedal and gas power can be combined. Even smaller and cheaper to operate than a motorcycle, with the same overland mobility. You lose out in top speed on straightaways &#8211; but then again, that was the whole point.</p>
<p>A third, perhaps rather unobvious solution to the dangers of bike dragoons, is reintroducing suits of plate as standard battledress, to provide full body protection in the event of spills. Neo-hussars are a go.</p>
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