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	<title>Comments on: The goal of productive failure is not to get the correct answer faster and more easily via shallower learning</title>
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		<title>By: Shadeburst</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2023/06/the-goal-of-productive-failure-is-not-to-get-the-correct-answer-faster-and-more-easily-via-shallower-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-3612686</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadeburst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In golf that&#039;s called grooving your slice. Seven classes to learn to calculate average speed! And how many classes did the direct method students get? I suspect that statistics and an agenda got interwoven here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In golf that&#8217;s called grooving your slice. Seven classes to learn to calculate average speed! And how many classes did the direct method students get? I suspect that statistics and an agenda got interwoven here.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zero surprise.

A core to my own method of working is that, given a problem, the thing to do is to thrash around (not knowing the &quot;right&quot; solution) way, way longer than justified. The idea is to not pollute your mind with the &quot;right&quot; way to solve the problem. Instead, try to accidentally come up with a better solution than the &quot;right&quot; solution. True, that rarely happens, but:

1) I come out knowing the landscape around the &quot;right&quot; solution. In the future that can be handy.

2) Sometimes, a sub-optimal solution is, in fact, better than the &quot;right&quot; solution for the particular problem at hand.

3) It&#039;s remarkably satisfying to discover, yourself, the &quot;right&quot; solution.

4) It&#039;s way more fun.

Honestly, #4 is the real reason for using this method.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zero surprise.</p>
<p>A core to my own method of working is that, given a problem, the thing to do is to thrash around (not knowing the &#8220;right&#8221; solution) way, way longer than justified. The idea is to not pollute your mind with the &#8220;right&#8221; way to solve the problem. Instead, try to accidentally come up with a better solution than the &#8220;right&#8221; solution. True, that rarely happens, but:</p>
<p>1) I come out knowing the landscape around the &#8220;right&#8221; solution. In the future that can be handy.</p>
<p>2) Sometimes, a sub-optimal solution is, in fact, better than the &#8220;right&#8221; solution for the particular problem at hand.</p>
<p>3) It&#8217;s remarkably satisfying to discover, yourself, the &#8220;right&#8221; solution.</p>
<p>4) It&#8217;s way more fun.</p>
<p>Honestly, #4 is the real reason for using this method.</p>
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