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	<title>Comments on: Hydrogen fuel cells have found their groove</title>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2023/06/hydrogen-fuel-cells-have-found-their-groove/comment-page-1/#comment-3612236</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;A modern economy requires fossil fuels. We will have such an economy only as long as fossil fuels last ...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Technically, our economy (especially construction and transport) requires liquid hydrocarbon fuels.  At the moment, the most economic way of providing those fuels is directly from fossil fuels.  However, once nuclear fission is properly restarted (see, for example, China&#039;s massive build out of nuclear power), it will be possible to manufacture liquid hydrocarbon fuels as required.

The &quot;greenie&quot; suicide of the West from rejecting both fossil fuels and nuclear fission is optional.  Other societies will make better choices -- and will survive &amp; prosper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;A modern economy requires fossil fuels. We will have such an economy only as long as fossil fuels last &#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Technically, our economy (especially construction and transport) requires liquid hydrocarbon fuels.  At the moment, the most economic way of providing those fuels is directly from fossil fuels.  However, once nuclear fission is properly restarted (see, for example, China&#8217;s massive build out of nuclear power), it will be possible to manufacture liquid hydrocarbon fuels as required.</p>
<p>The &#8220;greenie&#8221; suicide of the West from rejecting both fossil fuels and nuclear fission is optional.  Other societies will make better choices &#8212; and will survive &amp; prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 12:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Besides the problem of cheap electricity, there is the problem of storing and transporting hydrogen. Embrittlement of steel is the issue there. Embrittlement is compounded by the need to store hydrogen at extremely high pressures, because otherwise the energy density (J/m^&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;) is way too low.

A modern economy requires fossil fuels. We will have such an economy only as long as fossil fuels last, probably a thousand years or so at current rates of consumption.

The climate lunatics will not only shut down industry, they will also shut down modern agriculture. That will lead to massive population decline and the return of some form of slavery. Every pre-industrial society, including hunter-gatherers, was a slave society — no exceptions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the problem of cheap electricity, there is the problem of storing and transporting hydrogen. Embrittlement of steel is the issue there. Embrittlement is compounded by the need to store hydrogen at extremely high pressures, because otherwise the energy density (J/m^<sup>3</sup>) is way too low.</p>
<p>A modern economy requires fossil fuels. We will have such an economy only as long as fossil fuels last, probably a thousand years or so at current rates of consumption.</p>
<p>The climate lunatics will not only shut down industry, they will also shut down modern agriculture. That will lead to massive population decline and the return of some form of slavery. Every pre-industrial society, including hunter-gatherers, was a slave society — no exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 05:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terraform Industries @TerraformIndies

&#039;We will produce $1/kg green hydrogen from which to synthesize natural gas. There are a couple of necessary preconditions. 

1) Electricity &lt;$10/MWh. There is no other way, the math dictates cheap energy needs cheap energy.

2) Electrolyzer &lt;$100/kW for speedy ROI.&#039;

Terraform Industries looks liked a better bet to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terraform Industries @TerraformIndies</p>
<p>&#8216;We will produce $1/kg green hydrogen from which to synthesize natural gas. There are a couple of necessary preconditions. </p>
<p>1) Electricity &lt;$10/MWh. There is no other way, the math dictates cheap energy needs cheap energy.</p>
<p>2) Electrolyzer &lt;$100/kW for speedy ROI.&#039;</p>
<p>Terraform Industries looks liked a better bet to me.</p>
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