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		<title>By: Goober</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/08/when-people-arrive-at-the-same-policy-recommendations-but-shift-to-the-opposite-rationale-it-seems-fair-to-doubt-their-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-3558751</link>
		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DJB, the issue is that they&#039;re talking about every pollutant except CO&lt;small&gt;2&lt;/small&gt; in that article.  

Regardless of efficiency or emissions systems, and car will make X amount of CO&lt;small&gt;2&lt;/small&gt; for X amount of gasoline burned (with slight variations for slight reasons, but that&#039;s unimportant).  Even the most clean, most emissions-free ICE car makes the same amount of CO&lt;small&gt;2&lt;/small&gt; per gallon burned as the old clunker down the street.  

The only way to reduce CO&lt;small&gt;2&lt;/small&gt; is to increase MPG, but a 20-year-old car gets pretty close the same MPG as a modern car, because we&#039;re nearing the limits of ICE efficiency.  

Anyway, that&#039;s a long way to say that you&#039;re kind of distracting from the actual conversation with your post, since it&#039;s irrelevant to the discussion at hand.  

Your point of reducing OTHER harmful emissions stands, but focusing on the 25% of super-emitters would accomplish nothing as pertains to CO&lt;small&gt;2&lt;/small&gt; (or close enough to it).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJB, the issue is that they&#8217;re talking about every pollutant except CO<small>2</small> in that article.  </p>
<p>Regardless of efficiency or emissions systems, and car will make X amount of CO<small>2</small> for X amount of gasoline burned (with slight variations for slight reasons, but that&#8217;s unimportant).  Even the most clean, most emissions-free ICE car makes the same amount of CO<small>2</small> per gallon burned as the old clunker down the street.  </p>
<p>The only way to reduce CO<small>2</small> is to increase MPG, but a 20-year-old car gets pretty close the same MPG as a modern car, because we&#8217;re nearing the limits of ICE efficiency.  </p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s a long way to say that you&#8217;re kind of distracting from the actual conversation with your post, since it&#8217;s irrelevant to the discussion at hand.  </p>
<p>Your point of reducing OTHER harmful emissions stands, but focusing on the 25% of super-emitters would accomplish nothing as pertains to CO<small>2</small> (or close enough to it).</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/08/when-people-arrive-at-the-same-policy-recommendations-but-shift-to-the-opposite-rationale-it-seems-fair-to-doubt-their-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-3558660</link>
		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;One problem is to figure out the optimal amount of carbon emission reduction.&quot;

The biased answer is built into the biased assumption that carbon emissions need to be reduced. The charter of the IPCC assumed &#039;global warming&#039; was happening before the research was done. This after years of warning us of global cooling by the same people. These parasites will say anything. If you look at geological time many periods had high &#039;carbon&#039; and were verdant beyond imagination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One problem is to figure out the optimal amount of carbon emission reduction.&#8221;</p>
<p>The biased answer is built into the biased assumption that carbon emissions need to be reduced. The charter of the IPCC assumed &#8216;global warming&#8217; was happening before the research was done. This after years of warning us of global cooling by the same people. These parasites will say anything. If you look at geological time many periods had high &#8216;carbon&#8217; and were verdant beyond imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 04:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only a small fraction of cars, mainly the oldest and most poorly maintained, cause the majority of the automotive pollution. See, for example, https://www.boston.com/cars/news-and-reviews/2015/05/14/study-most-car-related-air-pollution-comes-from-only-25-of-cars/

Another study done in California (I couldn&#039;t find the link) said something like 10% of the cars caused 90% of the pollution. 

Regardless of the precise numbers, forcing the dirtiest cars off the road would drastically reduce the global warming motivation for car electrification. It could certainly be done faster and more cheaply than electrification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a small fraction of cars, mainly the oldest and most poorly maintained, cause the majority of the automotive pollution. See, for example, <a href="https://www.boston.com/cars/news-and-reviews/2015/05/14/study-most-car-related-air-pollution-comes-from-only-25-of-cars/" >https://www.boston.com/cars/news-and-reviews/2015/05/14/study-most-car-related-air-pollution-comes-from-only-25-of-cars/</a></p>
<p>Another study done in California (I couldn&#8217;t find the link) said something like 10% of the cars caused 90% of the pollution. </p>
<p>Regardless of the precise numbers, forcing the dirtiest cars off the road would drastically reduce the global warming motivation for car electrification. It could certainly be done faster and more cheaply than electrification.</p>
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		<title>By: Goober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the thing, they keep lying to get us on board with what they want us to do, instead of telling us the truth and explaining their rationale.  

They&#039;ve done it with COVID, and look at the mistrust it has earned them.  

They think we&#039;re stupid, and so dribbling with contempt, they choose to lie to us instead of telling us the truth.  

The reality of it is that oil is necessary for our current energy needs, but it isn&#039;t evenly distributed throughout the planet.  This creates extreme geopolitical power imbalances.  It gives otherwise minor players a very serious place at the table.  It forces us to cozy up to regimes that we would otherwise completely eschew and ignore, if not be outright hostile to.  

Oil, my friends, has been the major driver behind almost every war since, and including, World War 2; it being a driving factor behind the rationale causing both Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany to choose to go all &quot;expansionist&quot;.  Pearl Harbor happened specifically because Japan wanted oil from the Dutch East Indies, and they couldn&#039;t get it without causing a war between them and the USA, so they struck first.  Every war subsequent to that either happened directly because of oil (Gulf wars, etc) or as a result of the geopolitical clusterfuck that occurred as a result of a previous war for oil.

In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter saw that a world where we weren&#039;t beholden to OPEC would be a good thing.  And it undoubtedly would be a good thing to not have to cozy up to Saudi Arabia anymore, or to have to give two hot shits about what&#039;s happening in the Middle East.  

But they can&#039;t say that part out loud.  Of course they can&#039;t, at least not until an alternative is in place.  So they lied.  They said &quot;peak oil&quot; and then when that was essentially shown to be BS, they said &quot;global warming,” which, to be fair, I totally buy into up to a point. I think we are having a non-zero effect on the climate, but I think there&#039;s enough evidence out there to show that it won&#039;t be a catastrophe, and I think a guy could even make the argument that it might even be net good. They&#039;re doing it to try to get us to comply, because they can&#039;t give us the actual reason until the alternative is in place.  

Worst part of all of it is that the alternative has been available all along, we&#039;re just too stupid and ignorant to actually do it (nuclear).  

I think it&#039;s all exacerbated by the fact that the powers that be have all heavily invested in &quot;green&quot; energy, so they don&#039;t want nukes to prevail because they&#039;re too focused on their own portfolio, instead of actually changing the world for good.  

But yeah, it&#039;s pretty obvious to me that they just reflexively lie at this point, and have gotten so arrogant that they don&#039;t even pretend to be good at it.  They have just switched to mocking anyone pointing out the obvious lies as &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot;.  

I don&#039;t think the vaccines kill anyone, for instance, but it&#039;s obvious at this point that they don&#039;t really work.  But I get painted as an anti-vax conspiracy theorist for saying that, even though I&#039;ve gotten every vaccination my doctor has recommended I get since...well, since ever.  I&#039;m not an anti-vax conspiracy theorist.  I just think that the data shows that these specific vaccines that we were sold at great expense don&#039;t actually do much.  That&#039;s not a conspiracy theory.  Our triple vaxxed president just got COVID twice.  

Oh, wait, they moved the goalposts again to cover their lies, didn&#039;t they?  They never said that it would prevent catching COVID (LIE), just that it would lessen the symptoms.  Again, a lie.  

They lie to us.  They do it with the support of their own conscious and think that these are &quot;noble lies&quot;, but they are lies, nonetheless.  They should really stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, they keep lying to get us on board with what they want us to do, instead of telling us the truth and explaining their rationale.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve done it with COVID, and look at the mistrust it has earned them.  </p>
<p>They think we&#8217;re stupid, and so dribbling with contempt, they choose to lie to us instead of telling us the truth.  </p>
<p>The reality of it is that oil is necessary for our current energy needs, but it isn&#8217;t evenly distributed throughout the planet.  This creates extreme geopolitical power imbalances.  It gives otherwise minor players a very serious place at the table.  It forces us to cozy up to regimes that we would otherwise completely eschew and ignore, if not be outright hostile to.  </p>
<p>Oil, my friends, has been the major driver behind almost every war since, and including, World War 2; it being a driving factor behind the rationale causing both Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany to choose to go all &#8220;expansionist&#8221;.  Pearl Harbor happened specifically because Japan wanted oil from the Dutch East Indies, and they couldn&#8217;t get it without causing a war between them and the USA, so they struck first.  Every war subsequent to that either happened directly because of oil (Gulf wars, etc) or as a result of the geopolitical clusterfuck that occurred as a result of a previous war for oil.</p>
<p>In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter saw that a world where we weren&#8217;t beholden to OPEC would be a good thing.  And it undoubtedly would be a good thing to not have to cozy up to Saudi Arabia anymore, or to have to give two hot shits about what&#8217;s happening in the Middle East.  </p>
<p>But they can&#8217;t say that part out loud.  Of course they can&#8217;t, at least not until an alternative is in place.  So they lied.  They said &#8220;peak oil&#8221; and then when that was essentially shown to be BS, they said &#8220;global warming,” which, to be fair, I totally buy into up to a point. I think we are having a non-zero effect on the climate, but I think there&#8217;s enough evidence out there to show that it won&#8217;t be a catastrophe, and I think a guy could even make the argument that it might even be net good. They&#8217;re doing it to try to get us to comply, because they can&#8217;t give us the actual reason until the alternative is in place.  </p>
<p>Worst part of all of it is that the alternative has been available all along, we&#8217;re just too stupid and ignorant to actually do it (nuclear).  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s all exacerbated by the fact that the powers that be have all heavily invested in &#8220;green&#8221; energy, so they don&#8217;t want nukes to prevail because they&#8217;re too focused on their own portfolio, instead of actually changing the world for good.  </p>
<p>But yeah, it&#8217;s pretty obvious to me that they just reflexively lie at this point, and have gotten so arrogant that they don&#8217;t even pretend to be good at it.  They have just switched to mocking anyone pointing out the obvious lies as &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the vaccines kill anyone, for instance, but it&#8217;s obvious at this point that they don&#8217;t really work.  But I get painted as an anti-vax conspiracy theorist for saying that, even though I&#8217;ve gotten every vaccination my doctor has recommended I get since&#8230;well, since ever.  I&#8217;m not an anti-vax conspiracy theorist.  I just think that the data shows that these specific vaccines that we were sold at great expense don&#8217;t actually do much.  That&#8217;s not a conspiracy theory.  Our triple vaxxed president just got COVID twice.  </p>
<p>Oh, wait, they moved the goalposts again to cover their lies, didn&#8217;t they?  They never said that it would prevent catching COVID (LIE), just that it would lessen the symptoms.  Again, a lie.  </p>
<p>They lie to us.  They do it with the support of their own conscious and think that these are &#8220;noble lies&#8221;, but they are lies, nonetheless.  They should really stop.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Carbon&quot; is not the same thing as &quot;CO2&quot;...and I don&#039;t think the use of that word is a harmless shortcut. A lot of people seen to think that &quot;carbon emissions&quot; refers to black particulates coming out of a smokestack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Carbon&#8221; is not the same thing as &#8220;CO2&#8243;&#8230;and I don&#8217;t think the use of that word is a harmless shortcut. A lot of people seen to think that &#8220;carbon emissions&#8221; refers to black particulates coming out of a smokestack.</p>
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