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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 20:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, I won&#039;t disagree. I personally left the law behind when I saw it applied as the ROE (Rules of Engagement) in Iraq.  It&#039;s a lying contest; it&#039;s a joke gone way too far. I can&#039;t vilify the law or lawyers enough.

Unfortunately my fellow countrymen are utterly in thrall to this strange cult called law, so we must work with what exists as opposed to what does not:  men with courage and decency to act is what does not. 

Of course my fellow countrymen are b_tch slaves to their wives, who aren&#039;t men, either. 

Having said all that, the “legitimacy” of the entire Progressive century-old Edifice is entirely the Courts, especially since the 1960s.  Abortion, gay marriage, runaway regulation [see Chevron], an unlimited bureaucracy, a castrated Presidency, a Carnival Congress that gave away most of its powers because it meant passing responsibility — all, all rest on a court that does what it&#039;s told and rubber stamping Prog madness and the Liberal lust for unelected and unaccountable powers..

But, instead, this court just threw down the holiest of holies, Roe, the very Eucharist of the Left. 

And returned power to the state legislatures.

Take what you can get, Jim.

Other than guns — which this court also wisely shored up before Dobbs — other than guns the right had no victories.  

Until now. 

And with that victory real power flows out of the center and to the states, where the Left is much weaker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I won&#8217;t disagree. I personally left the law behind when I saw it applied as the ROE (Rules of Engagement) in Iraq.  It&#8217;s a lying contest; it&#8217;s a joke gone way too far. I can&#8217;t vilify the law or lawyers enough.</p>
<p>Unfortunately my fellow countrymen are utterly in thrall to this strange cult called law, so we must work with what exists as opposed to what does not:  men with courage and decency to act is what does not. </p>
<p>Of course my fellow countrymen are b_tch slaves to their wives, who aren&#8217;t men, either. </p>
<p>Having said all that, the “legitimacy” of the entire Progressive century-old Edifice is entirely the Courts, especially since the 1960s.  Abortion, gay marriage, runaway regulation [see Chevron], an unlimited bureaucracy, a castrated Presidency, a Carnival Congress that gave away most of its powers because it meant passing responsibility — all, all rest on a court that does what it&#8217;s told and rubber stamping Prog madness and the Liberal lust for unelected and unaccountable powers..</p>
<p>But, instead, this court just threw down the holiest of holies, Roe, the very Eucharist of the Left. </p>
<p>And returned power to the state legislatures.</p>
<p>Take what you can get, Jim.</p>
<p>Other than guns — which this court also wisely shored up before Dobbs — other than guns the right had no victories.  </p>
<p>Until now. </p>
<p>And with that victory real power flows out of the center and to the states, where the Left is much weaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2022 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VXXC,

Live by the rule of law, die by the rule of law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VXXC,</p>
<p>Live by the rule of law, die by the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2022 00:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To say again standalone:

Up until Dobbs the analysis of Yarvin on culture war is a trap would be correct. The RTL and social conservatives who actually believed were getting played with by the GOP, they were considered rubes and a joke…and now the joke’s gone too far and it’s too late, it&#039;s too late because at the maximum moment of weakness for the central powers in DC power has just been legitimately given back to the states.

John Robb by the way has a post on this being part of the devolution of power from DC back to the states, which he writes was inevitable given the Cold War&#039;s ending — the Cold war is what made Centralization of power necessary. 

[I would personally add that WW2 is the great centralization of power, if not the New Deal, but that&#039;s me not Robb].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say again standalone:</p>
<p>Up until Dobbs the analysis of Yarvin on culture war is a trap would be correct. The RTL and social conservatives who actually believed were getting played with by the GOP, they were considered rubes and a joke…and now the joke’s gone too far and it’s too late, it&#8217;s too late because at the maximum moment of weakness for the central powers in DC power has just been legitimately given back to the states.</p>
<p>John Robb by the way has a post on this being part of the devolution of power from DC back to the states, which he writes was inevitable given the Cold War&#8217;s ending — the Cold war is what made Centralization of power necessary. </p>
<p>[I would personally add that WW2 is the great centralization of power, if not the New Deal, but that's me not Robb].</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2022 00:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[I argued this one to death on Yarvin&#039;s substack under Long Warred handle.]

Politics is Power:  The significance of Roe was always Litmus test.  When Roe went many Court conjured powers trembled [and their tremors spread to Yarvin]. 

Roe meant the Court can legitimize and notarize any policy of the Liberal Establishment and the Government [the real one, not the one we elect].
The danger to the legitimacy of the entire Cathedral or Edifice of government with Roe falling is real, and more decisions followed hard. 

The Liberal state trembles...Humphrey&#039;s executors might well be overturned...we could stumble into Constitutional government. 

Roe was always a litmus test for many things such as regulations being limited and not anti-business or unlimited and antibusiness, for this reason business supported the cause of conservative judges.

Business does not care about abortion, they care about money.  Like the DC GOP business may be alarmed by this development of the joke going too far...speaking of which up until Dobbs the analysis of Yarvin would be correct.  They were getting played with by the GOP, they were considered rubes and a joke...and now the joke&#039;s gone too far and it&#039;s too late. 

But business will of course smell money in Chevron Deference possibly being clipped, here comes money to the cause. 

Roe devolves power to the states, this is extremely dangerous to the Center at present.

The Catholic Court has now thrown real power into actual organizations at the State level, where for all their small size really are Republicans, no such animal exists in DC.  The Christian organizations in those states are energized again and the legislations flows.  There are real men and real alliances at the state level and this is happening at the point of maximum weakness for DC, possibly the weakest central government in real terms since the Articles of Confederation.  

There are 2 groups on the Right who actually believe in something besides money; the Christians and gun rights 2A movement and they&#039;re the only ones who won anything but tax cuts for their donors. 

Dobbs changes a lot more than abortion, and a lot more then my fellow men your godd@ammed freaking c*cks habitues and the consequences.  

Grow the Hell up.

[Yarvin is both trolling to incite and actually scared because his Pinot and brie friends are scared, you see now a real diplomat and scion of communists...yes].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I argued this one to death on Yarvin's substack under Long Warred handle.]</p>
<p>Politics is Power:  The significance of Roe was always Litmus test.  When Roe went many Court conjured powers trembled [and their tremors spread to Yarvin]. </p>
<p>Roe meant the Court can legitimize and notarize any policy of the Liberal Establishment and the Government [the real one, not the one we elect].<br />
The danger to the legitimacy of the entire Cathedral or Edifice of government with Roe falling is real, and more decisions followed hard. </p>
<p>The Liberal state trembles&#8230;Humphrey&#8217;s executors might well be overturned&#8230;we could stumble into Constitutional government. </p>
<p>Roe was always a litmus test for many things such as regulations being limited and not anti-business or unlimited and antibusiness, for this reason business supported the cause of conservative judges.</p>
<p>Business does not care about abortion, they care about money.  Like the DC GOP business may be alarmed by this development of the joke going too far&#8230;speaking of which up until Dobbs the analysis of Yarvin would be correct.  They were getting played with by the GOP, they were considered rubes and a joke&#8230;and now the joke&#8217;s gone too far and it&#8217;s too late. </p>
<p>But business will of course smell money in Chevron Deference possibly being clipped, here comes money to the cause. </p>
<p>Roe devolves power to the states, this is extremely dangerous to the Center at present.</p>
<p>The Catholic Court has now thrown real power into actual organizations at the State level, where for all their small size really are Republicans, no such animal exists in DC.  The Christian organizations in those states are energized again and the legislations flows.  There are real men and real alliances at the state level and this is happening at the point of maximum weakness for DC, possibly the weakest central government in real terms since the Articles of Confederation.  </p>
<p>There are 2 groups on the Right who actually believe in something besides money; the Christians and gun rights 2A movement and they&#8217;re the only ones who won anything but tax cuts for their donors. </p>
<p>Dobbs changes a lot more than abortion, and a lot more then my fellow men your godd@ammed freaking c*cks habitues and the consequences.  </p>
<p>Grow the Hell up.</p>
<p>[Yarvin is both trolling to incite and actually scared because his Pinot and brie friends are scared, you see now a real diplomat and scion of communists...yes].</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This analogy is funny because in reality it&#039;s Yarvin who is the battered wife in this picture.

Bluetribe keeps abusing him, and he keeps crawling back trying to wheedle and curry their favor; &quot;no, see, they&#039;re really nice guys at the end of the day, you just have to be more understanding!&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This analogy is funny because in reality it&#8217;s Yarvin who is the battered wife in this picture.</p>
<p>Bluetribe keeps abusing him, and he keeps crawling back trying to wheedle and curry their favor; &#8220;no, see, they&#8217;re really nice guys at the end of the day, you just have to be more understanding!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike-SMO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike-SMO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 08:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Figure it out. I was bigger and useful. She was a small, fine thing with a core of steel. We did better blending our skills 

Perhaps &quot;Blue&quot; needs a lesson to temper a rrogance.

Don&#039;t wait too long. Compton, Calif is the model.  The open border brings in the replacement population that will bring grift to the pols and profit to the property owners while the ghetto refugees are driven into the surround. You are going to love your new neighbors. 

That is the rationale for the gun control push. If the suburbans and sub-suburbans are too effective defending their homes and families, it might foul that  new population scheme. 

After a century and a half, no one has been able to make the ghetto people useful. The imports work harder and cheaper and their English is no worse. The Corruptocrats have abandoned the ghetto and are dumping their trash in your yard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figure it out. I was bigger and useful. She was a small, fine thing with a core of steel. We did better blending our skills </p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;Blue&#8221; needs a lesson to temper a rrogance.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t wait too long. Compton, Calif is the model.  The open border brings in the replacement population that will bring grift to the pols and profit to the property owners while the ghetto refugees are driven into the surround. You are going to love your new neighbors. </p>
<p>That is the rationale for the gun control push. If the suburbans and sub-suburbans are too effective defending their homes and families, it might foul that  new population scheme. </p>
<p>After a century and a half, no one has been able to make the ghetto people useful. The imports work harder and cheaper and their English is no worse. The Corruptocrats have abandoned the ghetto and are dumping their trash in your yard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 05:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an exceptionally bad analogy, because few men take pleasure in disciplining their wives, because under the common law on which the American republic was founded women can&#039;t lawfully own property, and because Heaven cries out for Vengeance.

Let us look forward to the day that we stop hearing that winning is really losing from Mr. Fiancé von BDSMite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an exceptionally bad analogy, because few men take pleasure in disciplining their wives, because under the common law on which the American republic was founded women can&#8217;t lawfully own property, and because Heaven cries out for Vengeance.</p>
<p>Let us look forward to the day that we stop hearing that winning is really losing from Mr. Fiancé von BDSMite.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2022 00:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“What does a win look like for Moldbug is an excellent question.”

Scott Walker in Wisconsin.  It&#039;s embarrassing that the republicans haven&#039;t taken advantage of covid to push school choice, for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What does a win look like for Moldbug is an excellent question.”</p>
<p>Scott Walker in Wisconsin.  It&#8217;s embarrassing that the republicans haven&#8217;t taken advantage of covid to push school choice, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoyos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoyos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is, in his view, there are “no courts” and “no cops”.

What does a win look like for Moldbug is an excellent question.

The concern some of us have is if we can’t protect babies what other win is going to matter? Same goes for preventing the grooming of children. I mean if you don’t win these battles what are you fighting for?

If there is a Judge, and I’m sure there is, capitals on purpose. I suspect these things will matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, in his view, there are “no courts” and “no cops”.</p>
<p>What does a win look like for Moldbug is an excellent question.</p>
<p>The concern some of us have is if we can’t protect babies what other win is going to matter? Same goes for preventing the grooming of children. I mean if you don’t win these battles what are you fighting for?</p>
<p>If there is a Judge, and I’m sure there is, capitals on purpose. I suspect these things will matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2022 19:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Supreme Court decision had nothing to do with &quot;preventing abortion&quot;.  Instead, the decision was a recognition that prior Supreme Court Justices had erred by inventing something that was not in the Constitution those failing Justices had sworn to uphold.

In effect, the current Justices said (correctly) that abortion is not something which is in the limited remit of the Federal Government.  Instead, per the 10th Amendment, doing anything to promote or limit abortion belongs with the citizens and the 50 States.  It is an issue which should be addressed democratically, not legalistically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Supreme Court decision had nothing to do with &#8220;preventing abortion&#8221;.  Instead, the decision was a recognition that prior Supreme Court Justices had erred by inventing something that was not in the Constitution those failing Justices had sworn to uphold.</p>
<p>In effect, the current Justices said (correctly) that abortion is not something which is in the limited remit of the Federal Government.  Instead, per the 10th Amendment, doing anything to promote or limit abortion belongs with the citizens and the 50 States.  It is an issue which should be addressed democratically, not legalistically.</p>
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