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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/05/it-inevitably-ends-with-subversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3537522</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2022 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2008/06/the-strident-hermit-king-of-comics/&quot;&gt;The Strident Hermit King of Comics&lt;/a&gt;, Steve Ditko, is famous for co-creating Spider-Man and Dr. Strange. He’s also somewhat less famous for creating the Question — and infamous for creating &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2007/09/secret-origins-of-mr.htm&quot;&gt;Mr. A&lt;/a&gt; — which both inspired &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/labels/Alan%20Moore.htm&quot;&gt;Alan Moore&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s Rorschach, from &lt;cite&gt;The Watchmen&lt;/cite&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2008/06/the-strident-hermit-king-of-comics/">The Strident Hermit King of Comics</a>, Steve Ditko, is famous for co-creating Spider-Man and Dr. Strange. He’s also somewhat less famous for creating the Question — and infamous for creating <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2007/09/secret-origins-of-mr.htm">Mr. A</a> — which both inspired <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/labels/Alan%20Moore.htm">Alan Moore</a>&#8216;s Rorschach, from <cite>The Watchmen</cite>.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2022 16:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I re-read &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/3MRzrsx&quot;&gt;Watchmen&lt;/a&gt; a couple decades after first reading it and found it &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2008/06/who-will-watch-the-watchmen-on-dvd/&quot;&gt;a product of its time&lt;/a&gt;.

On the shelf of Hollis Mason — the original Nite Owl, turned car mechanic — are three books: his memoirs, &lt;cite&gt;Under the Hood&lt;/cite&gt;; &lt;cite&gt;Automobile Maintenance&lt;/cite&gt;; and Philip Wylie’s 1930 novel, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0803298404/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0803298404&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=isegoria0e-20&amp;linkId=7FR65QZXJ7UAPMYS&quot;&gt;Gladiator&lt;/a&gt;, which many argue is the original inspiration for Superman. I &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2008/06/gladiator/&quot;&gt;recommend&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;Gladiator&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-read <a href="https://amzn.to/3MRzrsx">Watchmen</a> a couple decades after first reading it and found it <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2008/06/who-will-watch-the-watchmen-on-dvd/">a product of its time</a>.</p>
<p>On the shelf of Hollis Mason — the original Nite Owl, turned car mechanic — are three books: his memoirs, <cite>Under the Hood</cite>; <cite>Automobile Maintenance</cite>; and Philip Wylie’s 1930 novel, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0803298404/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0803298404&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=isegoria0e-20&amp;linkId=7FR65QZXJ7UAPMYS">Gladiator</a>, which many argue is the original inspiration for Superman. I <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2008/06/gladiator/">recommend</a> <em>Gladiator</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Longarch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2022 13:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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Daniel is the fellow in the owl costume, who rightly points out that the whole planet is on the brink of annihilation. Rorschach replies: &quot;Some of us have always lived on edge, Daniel. It is possible to survive there if you observe rules! Just hang on by fingernails ... and never look down.&quot;


Many people who have fallen through the cracks of the current system have been living like Rorschach for years. Some of them were born into this type of marginal existence.  A great many Westerners have been hanging on by their fingernails, just surviving, with no hope for improvement of their lives.


&lt;em&gt;Watchmen&lt;/em&gt; was considered a very notable subversion of traditional superhero stories when it came out, but by now it has been studied so thoroughly that it has probably been thoroughly digested by the great propaganda-pornography complex. I fear that any positive effect of subversive art is quickly overwhelmed by the capacity of the degenerate sectors to co-opt subversive images. I have seen parliamentarians wearing Guy Fawkes masks in parliaments as cheap publicity stunts.  I have seen porn stars in Italy&#039;s parliament. Now all that remains is for a porn star parliamentarian to don a Rorschach mask on the floor of a parliament as a publicity stunt, and pop culture will finally implode.]]></description>
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<p>Daniel is the fellow in the owl costume, who rightly points out that the whole planet is on the brink of annihilation. Rorschach replies: &#8220;Some of us have always lived on edge, Daniel. It is possible to survive there if you observe rules! Just hang on by fingernails &#8230; and never look down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many people who have fallen through the cracks of the current system have been living like Rorschach for years. Some of them were born into this type of marginal existence.  A great many Westerners have been hanging on by their fingernails, just surviving, with no hope for improvement of their lives.</p>
<p><em>Watchmen</em> was considered a very notable subversion of traditional superhero stories when it came out, but by now it has been studied so thoroughly that it has probably been thoroughly digested by the great propaganda-pornography complex. I fear that any positive effect of subversive art is quickly overwhelmed by the capacity of the degenerate sectors to co-opt subversive images. I have seen parliamentarians wearing Guy Fawkes masks in parliaments as cheap publicity stunts.  I have seen porn stars in Italy&#8217;s parliament. Now all that remains is for a porn star parliamentarian to don a Rorschach mask on the floor of a parliament as a publicity stunt, and pop culture will finally implode.</p>
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		<title>By: Longarch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2022 12:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I binge-watched &lt;em&gt;Wandavision&lt;/em&gt; and thought, &quot;Boy, I could really go for some serious high-powered superhero fiction!&quot; So the very next day I binge-read Alan Moore&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Watchmen&lt;/em&gt;. The good news is that &lt;em&gt;Watchmen&lt;/em&gt; is a skillfully told story. The bad news is that I found Rorschach to be a very sympathetic character.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I binge-watched <em>Wandavision</em> and thought, &#8220;Boy, I could really go for some serious high-powered superhero fiction!&#8221; So the very next day I binge-read Alan Moore&#8217;s <em>Watchmen</em>. The good news is that <em>Watchmen</em> is a skillfully told story. The bad news is that I found Rorschach to be a very sympathetic character.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2022 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great fiction illuminates reality. Middling fiction reflects reality. Inferior fiction ignores reality.

Pseudo-great fiction - also known as message fiction -  is an author tract on reality, where the author is out of touch. It tends to broken aesops and glurge.

Genre fiction gets caught up in its own tropes and thus becomes self-referential. But it&#039;s fun, and you can easily sneak greatness into it.

A corporation is a legal fiction. It is constructed entirely of words and kayfabe. It is its own reality, without a center. Only the profit motive connects it to reality. When that&#039;s lost, the corporation degenerates into LARP, and then into bankruptcy.

I recently watched American Psycho, and was struck by the fact that no one was shown actually doing any productive work, or even making business decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great fiction illuminates reality. Middling fiction reflects reality. Inferior fiction ignores reality.</p>
<p>Pseudo-great fiction &#8211; also known as message fiction &#8211;  is an author tract on reality, where the author is out of touch. It tends to broken aesops and glurge.</p>
<p>Genre fiction gets caught up in its own tropes and thus becomes self-referential. But it&#8217;s fun, and you can easily sneak greatness into it.</p>
<p>A corporation is a legal fiction. It is constructed entirely of words and kayfabe. It is its own reality, without a center. Only the profit motive connects it to reality. When that&#8217;s lost, the corporation degenerates into LARP, and then into bankruptcy.</p>
<p>I recently watched American Psycho, and was struck by the fact that no one was shown actually doing any productive work, or even making business decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2022 05:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Relative to the corporations mentioned in the article, they seek the lowest possible level of moral and professional degeneracy just above failure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relative to the corporations mentioned in the article, they seek the lowest possible level of moral and professional degeneracy just above failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it was Voltaire who said the test of genuine artistic creativity was to make something new but without being bizarre. Novelty is empty without beauty and in the end remains merely derivative in the form of mockery, farce, distortion, mutilation — deconstruction without reconstruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Voltaire who said the test of genuine artistic creativity was to make something new but without being bizarre. Novelty is empty without beauty and in the end remains merely derivative in the form of mockery, farce, distortion, mutilation — deconstruction without reconstruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 19:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arguably, the mark of a Great story is that one may experience little to no trouble at all if exchanged for reality; or indeed, a salutary effect even.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguably, the mark of a Great story is that one may experience little to no trouble at all if exchanged for reality; or indeed, a salutary effect even.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 19:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love genre fiction. Nothing wrong with telling great stories so long as you don&#039;t mistake them for reality.

Or try to substitute them for reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love genre fiction. Nothing wrong with telling great stories so long as you don&#8217;t mistake them for reality.</p>
<p>Or try to substitute them for reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 15:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Making something original is easy, it&#039;s making something good that&#039;s hard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making something original is easy, it&#8217;s making something good that&#8217;s hard.</p>
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