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	<title>Comments on: Electric vehicles can generate electricity while carrying loads downhill</title>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2022 23:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;&#039;You just need to buy electric trucks and be able to connect them to the grid — that’s the whole cost,&#039; he said.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That may be the whole cost of the apple, but that apple is in no way comparable to the orange of the power generated by a hydro-electric installation -- not unless the electric trucks can carry as much water in a day as the pipeline to a power plant.  That sounds like a lot of heavy trucks, which will require a lot of road improvements &amp; widening &amp; lights for night-time operation.  It will also require a lot of water to transport, which (&lt;i&gt;surprise!&lt;/i&gt;) will require impounding large volumes of water, which probably means (&lt;i&gt;surprise again!&lt;/i&gt;) building a dam.

The idea may have some modest utility in some very particular circumstances -- but it is not a serious large-scale alternative to hydro-electric power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8216;You just need to buy electric trucks and be able to connect them to the grid — that’s the whole cost,&#8217; he said.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That may be the whole cost of the apple, but that apple is in no way comparable to the orange of the power generated by a hydro-electric installation &#8212; not unless the electric trucks can carry as much water in a day as the pipeline to a power plant.  That sounds like a lot of heavy trucks, which will require a lot of road improvements &amp; widening &amp; lights for night-time operation.  It will also require a lot of water to transport, which (<i>surprise!</i>) will require impounding large volumes of water, which probably means (<i>surprise again!</i>) building a dam.</p>
<p>The idea may have some modest utility in some very particular circumstances &#8212; but it is not a serious large-scale alternative to hydro-electric power.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2022 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The argument for it is not that it’s a perpetual-motion machine: 

&lt;blockquote&gt; To start with, electric truck hydropower can be much less expensive than the alternatives. 

“You just need to buy electric trucks and be able to connect them to the grid — that’s the whole cost,” he said. “But for hydropower plants you need huge dams, tunnels, turbines, and lots of other different components that have very high investment costs.”

Depending on conditions, the water-carrying electric trucks could also be deployed to generate electricity from different stages of a mountain descent, or even from different rivers on different roads. “It’s very flexible, very modular,” he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument for it is not that it’s a perpetual-motion machine: </p>
<blockquote><p> To start with, electric truck hydropower can be much less expensive than the alternatives. </p>
<p>“You just need to buy electric trucks and be able to connect them to the grid — that’s the whole cost,” he said. “But for hydropower plants you need huge dams, tunnels, turbines, and lots of other different components that have very high investment costs.”</p>
<p>Depending on conditions, the water-carrying electric trucks could also be deployed to generate electricity from different stages of a mountain descent, or even from different rivers on different roads. “It’s very flexible, very modular,” he said.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bob Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 16:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One notes that the shale is LIFTED up out of the mine to the top of the ropeway. It&#039;s a very clever device, designed back when the average UK IQ was about 10 points higher. But the First Law still applies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One notes that the shale is LIFTED up out of the mine to the top of the ropeway. It&#8217;s a very clever device, designed back when the average UK IQ was about 10 points higher. But the First Law still applies.</p>
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		<title>By: JBP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 14:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahaha. What a load. The truck generates more energy going down because it weighs twice as much going down. So this scheme only works when loads are going downhill. In open pit mining this would not work at all. BUT, as long as it is not subsidized by taxpayers, go for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha. What a load. The truck generates more energy going down because it weighs twice as much going down. So this scheme only works when loads are going downhill. In open pit mining this would not work at all. BUT, as long as it is not subsidized by taxpayers, go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: James James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 08:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_ropeway]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_ropeway" >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_ropeway</a></p>
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		<title>By: James James</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/05/electric-vehicles-can-generate-electricity-while-carrying-loads-downhill/comment-page-1/#comment-3548616</link>
		<dc:creator>James James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 08:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://youtu.be/6RiYXI1Tfu4
The UK&#039;s last aerial ropeway uses no power, moves 300 tonnes]]></description>
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The UK&#8217;s last aerial ropeway uses no power, moves 300 tonnes</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 06:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;code&gt;&gt;CTRL-f &quot;nuclear&quot;&lt;/code&gt;: zero results.

It&#039;s always the same with these hecking people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>&gt;CTRL-f "nuclear"</code>: zero results.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always the same with these hecking people.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 05:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“About as cost-effective as (other green energy scams)” sounds accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“About as cost-effective as (other green energy scams)” sounds accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 03:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also known as perpetual motion. The king is not wearing any clothes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also known as perpetual motion. The king is not wearing any clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2022 02:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freight trains powered by electricity from an overhead line — and returning power to the line when going downhill — were a thing in mountainous districts in the 1920s.  Not exactly a new, “high tech” idea.

Concerning the use of water trucks to generate power: if you have water at a high elevation, why not just build a conduit running downhill and run it through a turbine?  What do the trucks add, except a perpetual expense stream to replace tires, etc?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freight trains powered by electricity from an overhead line — and returning power to the line when going downhill — were a thing in mountainous districts in the 1920s.  Not exactly a new, “high tech” idea.</p>
<p>Concerning the use of water trucks to generate power: if you have water at a high elevation, why not just build a conduit running downhill and run it through a turbine?  What do the trucks add, except a perpetual expense stream to replace tires, etc?</p>
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