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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/04/the-result-is-a-russian-military-designed-to-win-land-wars-while-avoiding-a-rout-from-the-air/comment-page-1/#comment-3534923</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2022 21:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“It’s unlikely that the U.S. ever would have launched conventional ground invasions of Yugoslavia in 1999 or Libya in 2011, but overwhelming airpower proved sufficient to achieve U.S. goals in both cases.… Libya… U.S.…goals…achieved&quot;

Tell me you&#039;re a stooge without telling me you&#039;re a stooge, Samo, lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It’s unlikely that the U.S. ever would have launched conventional ground invasions of Yugoslavia in 1999 or Libya in 2011, but overwhelming airpower proved sufficient to achieve U.S. goals in both cases.… Libya… U.S.…goals…achieved&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell me you&#8217;re a stooge without telling me you&#8217;re a stooge, Samo, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2022 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“something that Russia has so far declined to do in the Ukraine.”

To their detriment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“something that Russia has so far declined to do in the Ukraine.”</p>
<p>To their detriment.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Armenian air defense is not Russian air defense, its leftovers from USSR air defense.  Yes I looked into it at the time and after. 

Should we be so fortunate as to fight a conventional war only with Russia we’re in for a shock, or rather the rest of you are.

The US Army is well aware of its shortcomings and has been warning about them for years.  Short list no EW, greatly depleted air defense, fallen way behind on drones, no counter drone, very inferior in artillery, not used to a contested air environment, Command posts that are used to occupation duty and give off radio and visual signatures of a small town or large village- can go on. 

The Russian army is technically and tactically superior at land warfare is the bottom line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armenian air defense is not Russian air defense, its leftovers from USSR air defense.  Yes I looked into it at the time and after. </p>
<p>Should we be so fortunate as to fight a conventional war only with Russia we’re in for a shock, or rather the rest of you are.</p>
<p>The US Army is well aware of its shortcomings and has been warning about them for years.  Short list no EW, greatly depleted air defense, fallen way behind on drones, no counter drone, very inferior in artillery, not used to a contested air environment, Command posts that are used to occupation duty and give off radio and visual signatures of a small town or large village- can go on. </p>
<p>The Russian army is technically and tactically superior at land warfare is the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier there were some posts from Luttwak. 

If you follow his Twitter you’ll see he’s alarmed that Ukraine is escalating, that World War chances are increasing and he’s calling for negotiations and plebiscites. 

Its actually funny, he’s realizing this isn’t a weekend at Gaza. 

The Russians have set their terms and we simply refuse to allow Zelensky to negotiate.   Our creature utterly of course. 

Luttwak was all on fire for this until he realized that the people driving the narrative are setting policy here and they’re crazy.   Luttwak was all Romantic and Molotov cocktails and arm the Resistance blah blah. 
Now it dawns on him the Russians are not the Pals. 

Lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier there were some posts from Luttwak. </p>
<p>If you follow his Twitter you’ll see he’s alarmed that Ukraine is escalating, that World War chances are increasing and he’s calling for negotiations and plebiscites. </p>
<p>Its actually funny, he’s realizing this isn’t a weekend at Gaza. </p>
<p>The Russians have set their terms and we simply refuse to allow Zelensky to negotiate.   Our creature utterly of course. </p>
<p>Luttwak was all on fire for this until he realized that the people driving the narrative are setting policy here and they’re crazy.   Luttwak was all Romantic and Molotov cocktails and arm the Resistance blah blah.<br />
Now it dawns on him the Russians are not the Pals. </p>
<p>Lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are those who say that air power is over-rated.  The US had overwhelming air superiority in Vietnam -- and we all know how that worked out.  And total air superiority in Afghanistan too.  See a pattern there?

If we go back to World War II, the Allies had air superiority and used it to run bombing campaigns that went on for several years -- including attacks on civilians such as the firebombing of Dresden that would have been labelled &quot;war crimes&quot; if the Allies had lost the war.  Yet air power did not end the war in Europe -- it took the Red Army seizing Berlin.

If we look at more modern invasions -- US/NATO had to bomb the almost defenseless sovereign nation of Serbia for 78 days to get them to Cry Uncle, including morally-questionable acts like bombing power stations and water supplies ... something that Russia has so far declined to do in the Ukraine.

Bottom line -- a US air assault on Russian forces in the Ukraine would be a war, not a video game.  It would certainly not be an overnight game-changer, and it would inevitably escalate to all-out thermonuclear war affecting your immediate neighborhood.

Ask yourself -- the Ruling Clique in the Ukraine have been fighting a civil war against their own citizens in the east of the country for the last 8 years, murdering thousands of civilians -- Is that the kind of foreign Ruling Clique you are prepared to die for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are those who say that air power is over-rated.  The US had overwhelming air superiority in Vietnam &#8212; and we all know how that worked out.  And total air superiority in Afghanistan too.  See a pattern there?</p>
<p>If we go back to World War II, the Allies had air superiority and used it to run bombing campaigns that went on for several years &#8212; including attacks on civilians such as the firebombing of Dresden that would have been labelled &#8220;war crimes&#8221; if the Allies had lost the war.  Yet air power did not end the war in Europe &#8212; it took the Red Army seizing Berlin.</p>
<p>If we look at more modern invasions &#8212; US/NATO had to bomb the almost defenseless sovereign nation of Serbia for 78 days to get them to Cry Uncle, including morally-questionable acts like bombing power stations and water supplies &#8230; something that Russia has so far declined to do in the Ukraine.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8212; a US air assault on Russian forces in the Ukraine would be a war, not a video game.  It would certainly not be an overnight game-changer, and it would inevitably escalate to all-out thermonuclear war affecting your immediate neighborhood.</p>
<p>Ask yourself &#8212; the Ruling Clique in the Ukraine have been fighting a civil war against their own citizens in the east of the country for the last 8 years, murdering thousands of civilians &#8212; Is that the kind of foreign Ruling Clique you are prepared to die for?</p>
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		<title>By: Bomag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bomag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was joking off the adage:  &quot;amateurs thing tactics; professionals thing logistics.&quot;

I was just wondering if Ukraine spooled up American style air power against Russia&#039;s air defenses, how it would play out.  I&#039;ve heard Russia&#039;s air defense is overrated.

And, yes, logistics-logistics-logistics.  American style air defense requires lots of guys and stuff in the back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was joking off the adage:  &#8220;amateurs thing tactics; professionals thing logistics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was just wondering if Ukraine spooled up American style air power against Russia&#8217;s air defenses, how it would play out.  I&#8217;ve heard Russia&#8217;s air defense is overrated.</p>
<p>And, yes, logistics-logistics-logistics.  American style air defense requires lots of guys and stuff in the back.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bomag:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;I was told we would be talking tactics; not logistics.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Get real! Destroying an enemy&#039;s forces &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; they reach the battlefield is an obvious tactic.

During the American phase of the long-running wars in Vietnam, the US would watch as Russian ships unloaded missiles which would be used to shoot down US planes &#8212; and did nothing. Don&#039;t assume that Russia would be as foolish.

You are talking about war,  not about some silly video game. The opponent you are trying to kill is at liberty to strike back and kill you dead. Your opponent is not going to be limited by &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; rules.

Simple guideline to keep in mind as you play with &lt;i&gt;tactics&lt;/i&gt;: any direct attack by the US/NATO on Russia is likely to escalate to global thermonuclear war. Game Over!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bomag:  <i>&#8220;I was told we would be talking tactics; not logistics.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Get real! Destroying an enemy&#8217;s forces <i>before</i> they reach the battlefield is an obvious tactic.</p>
<p>During the American phase of the long-running wars in Vietnam, the US would watch as Russian ships unloaded missiles which would be used to shoot down US planes &mdash; and did nothing. Don&#8217;t assume that Russia would be as foolish.</p>
<p>You are talking about war,  not about some silly video game. The opponent you are trying to kill is at liberty to strike back and kill you dead. Your opponent is not going to be limited by <i>your</i> rules.</p>
<p>Simple guideline to keep in mind as you play with <i>tactics</i>: any direct attack by the US/NATO on Russia is likely to escalate to global thermonuclear war. Game Over!</p>
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		<title>By: Bomag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bomag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Who is the “we” in that sentence?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;We&quot; = Military Industrial Complex.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...blow up bridges, roads, &amp; railroads in Germany &amp; Poland to prevent the movement of US/NATO forces.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I was told we would be talking tactics; not logistics.

Heard an account of Delta et al. going head to head with the Wagner group in Syria.  A stalemate for a couple hours until our air power showed up; then lights out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Who is the “we” in that sentence?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8221; = Military Industrial Complex.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;blow up bridges, roads, &amp; railroads in Germany &amp; Poland to prevent the movement of US/NATO forces.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I was told we would be talking tactics; not logistics.</p>
<p>Heard an account of Delta et al. going head to head with the Wagner group in Syria.  A stalemate for a couple hours until our air power showed up; then lights out.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 01:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bomag:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;So, if we set out to push Russia out of Ukraine, how would it play out?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Who is the &quot;we&quot; in that sentence?  

If the US/NATO decides to get actively involved in the Ukraine, a logical response from the Russian side would be to sink ships and shoot down planes transporting arms &amp; units from the US.  They would also logically decide to bomb ports and airports in Europe, and blow up bridges, roads, &amp; railroads in Germany &amp; Poland to prevent the movement of US/NATO forces.

And the US &amp; UK would respond to that with a nuclear barrage, to which Russia would respond in kind — with interest!  Game over — for you, for me, for everybody.

It is time &quot;we&quot; stopped being stupid about getting involved in a civil war where &quot;our side&quot; has been trying to genocide (as Biden* would say) Russian-speaking Ukrainians for eight long violent years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bomag:  <i>&#8220;So, if we set out to push Russia out of Ukraine, how would it play out?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Who is the &#8220;we&#8221; in that sentence?  </p>
<p>If the US/NATO decides to get actively involved in the Ukraine, a logical response from the Russian side would be to sink ships and shoot down planes transporting arms &amp; units from the US.  They would also logically decide to bomb ports and airports in Europe, and blow up bridges, roads, &amp; railroads in Germany &amp; Poland to prevent the movement of US/NATO forces.</p>
<p>And the US &amp; UK would respond to that with a nuclear barrage, to which Russia would respond in kind — with interest!  Game over — for you, for me, for everybody.</p>
<p>It is time &#8220;we&#8221; stopped being stupid about getting involved in a civil war where &#8220;our side&#8221; has been trying to genocide (as Biden* would say) Russian-speaking Ukrainians for eight long violent years.</p>
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		<title>By: William Tarbush</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Tarbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Sykes,

If you are right about Russian air defense, why does the Iron Dome in Israel get all the credit? I wonder about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Sykes,</p>
<p>If you are right about Russian air defense, why does the Iron Dome in Israel get all the credit? I wonder about that.</p>
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