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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/02/brose-explains-a-terrible-truth-about-war-with-china/comment-page-1/#comment-3508034</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2022 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember what I said, over and over, about tanks?

Look here.

https://twitter.com/Mastersepar/status/1497255829707317253

Big main battle tanks are worthless compared to the amount of cash put into them and the amount of resources needed to deploy them.

If you&#039;re fighting serious competitors they are no use, and if you are fighting those with little resources they are overkill. Either way, they are a waste of money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember what I said, over and over, about tanks?</p>
<p>Look here.</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/Mastersepar/status/1497255829707317253" >https://twitter.com/Mastersepar/status/1497255829707317253</a></p>
<p>Big main battle tanks are worthless compared to the amount of cash put into them and the amount of resources needed to deploy them.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re fighting serious competitors they are no use, and if you are fighting those with little resources they are overkill. Either way, they are a waste of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 23:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[D’oh! Thanks for the correction, Faze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D’oh! Thanks for the correction, Faze.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/02/brose-explains-a-terrible-truth-about-war-with-china/comment-page-1/#comment-3507574</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan Kurt:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Currently state of the art microchip factories are being built in the USA ...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

How about State-of-the-Art steel mills?  Or shipbuilding yards?  Or lithium mines?  Or nuclear power plants?

Yes, the US could recover from the current de-industrialized state.  It took a quarter of a century or more to offshore productive capacity;  it will take at least as long as that to rebuild.  And the clock can&#039;t start on that until the Woke get driven from the public square and the incompetents in Congress &amp; the bureaucracy get eliminated.

It is going to be a long road back.  And that is without even considering how to deal with the unrepayable National Debt, with all the economic impacts that will have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Kurt:  <i>&#8220;Currently state of the art microchip factories are being built in the USA &#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>How about State-of-the-Art steel mills?  Or shipbuilding yards?  Or lithium mines?  Or nuclear power plants?</p>
<p>Yes, the US could recover from the current de-industrialized state.  It took a quarter of a century or more to offshore productive capacity;  it will take at least as long as that to rebuild.  And the clock can&#8217;t start on that until the Woke get driven from the public square and the incompetents in Congress &amp; the bureaucracy get eliminated.</p>
<p>It is going to be a long road back.  And that is without even considering how to deal with the unrepayable National Debt, with all the economic impacts that will have.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/02/brose-explains-a-terrible-truth-about-war-with-china/comment-page-1/#comment-3507564</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A thing has inherent value to the extent that it would make sense to keep it instead of selling it. The rest is market value.

The market is only a good pricing mechanism to the extent that all trades are voluntary. An involuntary trade is theft. And the market can only measure market value. It can&#039;t measure intrinsic value. But intrinsic value exists all the same.

The freedom to walk away from a bad deal is the freedom to negotiate, and this is the core of all freedom.

Intrinsic value defines what is or isn&#039;t a bad deal. So the market&#039;s very existence is determined by intrinsic value. But everything that happens in the market is the froth of market value.

Know your BATNA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thing has inherent value to the extent that it would make sense to keep it instead of selling it. The rest is market value.</p>
<p>The market is only a good pricing mechanism to the extent that all trades are voluntary. An involuntary trade is theft. And the market can only measure market value. It can&#8217;t measure intrinsic value. But intrinsic value exists all the same.</p>
<p>The freedom to walk away from a bad deal is the freedom to negotiate, and this is the core of all freedom.</p>
<p>Intrinsic value defines what is or isn&#8217;t a bad deal. So the market&#8217;s very existence is determined by intrinsic value. But everything that happens in the market is the froth of market value.</p>
<p>Know your BATNA.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/02/brose-explains-a-terrible-truth-about-war-with-china/comment-page-1/#comment-3507562</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China is not a country in the same sense that America is. This is why they don&#039;t understand us. All their thinking about us is predicated on a vast category error.

There is a regime in Beijing that is deadly serious. There is a regime in Washington that is deeply neurotic. But that regime in Washington is not America.

If both capital cities got nuked to radioactive glass tomorrow, only one of the nations would be destroyed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is not a country in the same sense that America is. This is why they don&#8217;t understand us. All their thinking about us is predicated on a vast category error.</p>
<p>There is a regime in Beijing that is deadly serious. There is a regime in Washington that is deeply neurotic. But that regime in Washington is not America.</p>
<p>If both capital cities got nuked to radioactive glass tomorrow, only one of the nations would be destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Altitude Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Altitude Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now the biggest problem we face is that China is a serious country, and we are not. That could change, but the fact of the matter is, we could not win a war with either China or Russia with our current elite running things, and they would rather see the United states go down to defeat than give up power. The US still has lots of advantages, human, geographic, and resources, as will be seen when we pick up the pieces after the crash, but as currently constituted, the US is a non-starter, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now the biggest problem we face is that China is a serious country, and we are not. That could change, but the fact of the matter is, we could not win a war with either China or Russia with our current elite running things, and they would rather see the United states go down to defeat than give up power. The US still has lots of advantages, human, geographic, and resources, as will be seen when we pick up the pieces after the crash, but as currently constituted, the US is a non-starter, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a bunch of French surrender monkeys are commenting here. Get a life guys.

China is screwed by Geography, two generations of the One Child Policy, &amp; Communism with Cult of Personality leadership. Russia is in terminal decline after its population losses of WW2 &amp; Communism for circa seventy years with its Gulag population shredding policies.

Currently state of the art microchip factories are being built in the USA, Apple Silicon has been introduced and shown to be a giant leap forward in microcomputer innovation so it will be emulated. Fracking has been demonstrated to work so after the soon collapse of Buyden and the Woke Democrats energy independence again will grace the American economy. 

Be not afraid.

Dan Kurt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of French surrender monkeys are commenting here. Get a life guys.</p>
<p>China is screwed by Geography, two generations of the One Child Policy, &amp; Communism with Cult of Personality leadership. Russia is in terminal decline after its population losses of WW2 &amp; Communism for circa seventy years with its Gulag population shredding policies.</p>
<p>Currently state of the art microchip factories are being built in the USA, Apple Silicon has been introduced and shown to be a giant leap forward in microcomputer innovation so it will be emulated. Fracking has been demonstrated to work so after the soon collapse of Buyden and the Woke Democrats energy independence again will grace the American economy. </p>
<p>Be not afraid.</p>
<p>Dan Kurt</p>
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		<title>By: Szopen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Szopen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cassander: &lt;em&gt;“The Chinese need western money at least as much as the West needs Chinese goods.”&lt;/em&gt;

https://livinginabubbleblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/peter-schiffs-consumer-island-analogy/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassander: <em>“The Chinese need western money at least as much as the West needs Chinese goods.”</em></p>
<p><a href="https://livinginabubbleblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/peter-schiffs-consumer-island-analogy/" >https://livinginabubbleblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/peter-schiffs-consumer-island-analogy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 09:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our military is screwed. We have good air power but the structure of the whole system is based on that and we are losing our advantage. Profit taking by the arms industries and incompetence of the managers is making this possible.

We have fairly good armor but armor is useless. There are no tanks that can not be killed two man teams with anti-tank weapons.

To get the striker approved General Eric Shinseki fired a kinetic weapon at a M1 and it went right through it. The old big armor guys were stopping it but he showed that no matter how good the M1 was, it was not enough.

The Israelis had some of the best tanks and APC&#039;s built ever and two-man teams of Hezbaloh took them out.

The only way to protect tanks is active, read explosive, armor and that&#039;s a big fail because you need troops to watch the armor&#039;s backside and they damn sure can&#039;t do that will exploding armor. I won&#039;t say tanks are unless, but they&#039;ve very close to it and they are not worth the money spent on them.

You need something fast with light armor.

For the combat soldier they have not kept up. We&#039;re still using M16&#039;s which if you have any brains you can immediately see that the bolt is round and fills most of the receiver, like...a piston. So any dirt that gets in there grinds away between the bolt and the receiver. Why can some guy on the internet see this and they can&#039;t?

They should have had a LONG TIME AGO some sort of powered battle armor. They should have also had some sort of mechanical horse and a mule to carry stuff.

Most of all we know vast sums, trillions, of dollars were stolen from the defense budget. I’ve seen numbers as high as 20 trillion. People should be lined up against the wall and shot.

And even worse if the troops were all given the poison version of the vax, and yes there is such a thing, then they will all be dead in a couple of years, and we will have no defense at all.

Maybe that’s why they keep pushing the war in Ukraine. Maybe they think they can kill off enough of them so that when they are start dropping dead, they don&#039;t kill the people responsible with their last breaths.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our military is screwed. We have good air power but the structure of the whole system is based on that and we are losing our advantage. Profit taking by the arms industries and incompetence of the managers is making this possible.</p>
<p>We have fairly good armor but armor is useless. There are no tanks that can not be killed two man teams with anti-tank weapons.</p>
<p>To get the striker approved General Eric Shinseki fired a kinetic weapon at a M1 and it went right through it. The old big armor guys were stopping it but he showed that no matter how good the M1 was, it was not enough.</p>
<p>The Israelis had some of the best tanks and APC&#8217;s built ever and two-man teams of Hezbaloh took them out.</p>
<p>The only way to protect tanks is active, read explosive, armor and that&#8217;s a big fail because you need troops to watch the armor&#8217;s backside and they damn sure can&#8217;t do that will exploding armor. I won&#8217;t say tanks are unless, but they&#8217;ve very close to it and they are not worth the money spent on them.</p>
<p>You need something fast with light armor.</p>
<p>For the combat soldier they have not kept up. We&#8217;re still using M16&#8242;s which if you have any brains you can immediately see that the bolt is round and fills most of the receiver, like&#8230;a piston. So any dirt that gets in there grinds away between the bolt and the receiver. Why can some guy on the internet see this and they can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>They should have had a LONG TIME AGO some sort of powered battle armor. They should have also had some sort of mechanical horse and a mule to carry stuff.</p>
<p>Most of all we know vast sums, trillions, of dollars were stolen from the defense budget. I’ve seen numbers as high as 20 trillion. People should be lined up against the wall and shot.</p>
<p>And even worse if the troops were all given the poison version of the vax, and yes there is such a thing, then they will all be dead in a couple of years, and we will have no defense at all.</p>
<p>Maybe that’s why they keep pushing the war in Ukraine. Maybe they think they can kill off enough of them so that when they are start dropping dead, they don&#8217;t kill the people responsible with their last breaths.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 08:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;“There’s no such thing as inherent value. goods are worth what people will pay for them.”&lt;/em&gt;

But why would a given being give so-and-so for such-and-such?

You may find in the course of trying to answer the latter question, the former sentiment starts standing on ever more stickier grounds...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“There’s no such thing as inherent value. goods are worth what people will pay for them.”</em></p>
<p>But why would a given being give so-and-so for such-and-such?</p>
<p>You may find in the course of trying to answer the latter question, the former sentiment starts standing on ever more stickier grounds&#8230;</p>
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