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	<title>Comments on: What can a divided America learn from Switzerland?</title>
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		<title>By: James James</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/01/what-can-a-divided-america-learn-from-switzerland/comment-page-1/#comment-3502913</link>
		<dc:creator>James James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 22:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nigel Carlsbad had some good essays recently on Switzerland https://carlsbad1819.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/commentaries-on-karl-ludwig-von-haller-the-restauration-der-staatswissenschaft-vol-vi-on-republics-and-free-communities/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel Carlsbad had some good essays recently on Switzerland <a href="https://carlsbad1819.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/commentaries-on-karl-ludwig-von-haller-the-restauration-der-staatswissenschaft-vol-vi-on-republics-and-free-communities/" >https://carlsbad1819.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/commentaries-on-karl-ludwig-von-haller-the-restauration-der-staatswissenschaft-vol-vi-on-republics-and-free-communities/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/01/what-can-a-divided-america-learn-from-switzerland/comment-page-1/#comment-3502907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps a divided America could try being the home base of the world&#039;s central banks&#039; central bank, the international mail system, and the world&#039;s preeminent research organization?

Switzerland&#039;s founders probably knew of America in the fourteenth century. If only they had set sail across the Atlantic Ocean...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a divided America could try being the home base of the world&#8217;s central banks&#8217; central bank, the international mail system, and the world&#8217;s preeminent research organization?</p>
<p>Switzerland&#8217;s founders probably knew of America in the fourteenth century. If only they had set sail across the Atlantic Ocean&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Purcell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Purcell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 05:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a copy of &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Swiss-banks-T-R-Fehrenbach/dp/B0007DQBG2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OYT6TF0LWG81&amp;keywords=the+swiss+banks-+fehrenbach&amp;qid=1643693750&amp;&quot;&gt;The Swiss Banks&lt;/a&gt; for six bucks under “other formats,” about what mine cost. I think &lt;em&gt;The Gnomes of Zurich&lt;/em&gt; is just an alternate title, maybe for a British edition. Fehrenbach just gives and gives. Try his history of the UN with a lot of snappy descriptions of the cold war, &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/3GlhyyN&quot;&gt;This Kind of Peace&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a copy of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Swiss-banks-T-R-Fehrenbach/dp/B0007DQBG2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OYT6TF0LWG81&amp;keywords=the+swiss+banks-+fehrenbach&amp;qid=1643693750&amp;">The Swiss Banks</a> for six bucks under “other formats,” about what mine cost. I think <em>The Gnomes of Zurich</em> is just an alternate title, maybe for a British edition. Fehrenbach just gives and gives. Try his history of the UN with a lot of snappy descriptions of the cold war, <a href="https://amzn.to/3GlhyyN">This Kind of Peace</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2022/01/what-can-a-divided-america-learn-from-switzerland/comment-page-1/#comment-3502664</link>
		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 03:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excluding the rape and abuse culture of the 7th century Muslims.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excluding the rape and abuse culture of the 7th century Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 03:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing not mentioned that might play a VERY big role in the Swiss looking after their country. They ALL serve in the military.

Now if you read books about influence and persuasion one of the big things to get people to do what you want is to involve them in some arduous task to get into an organization. People who do this are more likely to defend and push for the organization.

So everyone getting military training, keeping firearms in their houses, etc. would be a big influence.

It would also reduce friction. In the military there may be people you can not stand but...the mission is important so most of the time arguments are moderated. There&#039;s no alternative if you need to work together. In cases like this the opponents can just agree not to speak with each other or avoid bringing up known contentious issues. This may be a factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing not mentioned that might play a VERY big role in the Swiss looking after their country. They ALL serve in the military.</p>
<p>Now if you read books about influence and persuasion one of the big things to get people to do what you want is to involve them in some arduous task to get into an organization. People who do this are more likely to defend and push for the organization.</p>
<p>So everyone getting military training, keeping firearms in their houses, etc. would be a big influence.</p>
<p>It would also reduce friction. In the military there may be people you can not stand but&#8230;the mission is important so most of the time arguments are moderated. There&#8217;s no alternative if you need to work together. In cases like this the opponents can just agree not to speak with each other or avoid bringing up known contentious issues. This may be a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isegoria, you may just have explained the first half of the twentieth century in Germany.

Fritz Lang tried to warn them, I think, with M. The children were a stand in for ordinary people.

Got some Swiss German ancestry myself. I got taught some things growing up that turned out to be absolute garbage. I&#039;m still a tad bitter about it. Because of it, I&#039;ve become something a nihilist in the original Russian sense of the word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isegoria, you may just have explained the first half of the twentieth century in Germany.</p>
<p>Fritz Lang tried to warn them, I think, with M. The children were a stand in for ordinary people.</p>
<p>Got some Swiss German ancestry myself. I got taught some things growing up that turned out to be absolute garbage. I&#8217;m still a tad bitter about it. Because of it, I&#8217;ve become something a nihilist in the original Russian sense of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your comment about Swiss getting swindled by Germans is amusing, Harry, in light of something that stood out when I read Michael Lewis&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/3AL6Ct7&quot;&gt;Boomerang&lt;/a&gt;, about the recent financial crisis and its global repercussions: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;But then how did people who seem as intelligent and successful and honest and well organized as the Germans allow themselves to be drawn into such a mess? In their financial affairs they’d ticked all the little boxes to ensure that the contents of the bigger box were not rotten, and yet ignored the overpowering stench wafting from the big box. Nölling felt the problem had its roots in German national character. “We entered Maastricht because they had these &lt;em&gt;rules&lt;/em&gt;,” he says, as we move off to his kitchen and plates heaped with the white asparagus Germans take such pride in growing. “We were talked into this under false pretenses. Germans are, by and large, gullible people. They trust and believe. They &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; to trust. They &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; to believe.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment about Swiss getting swindled by Germans is amusing, Harry, in light of something that stood out when I read Michael Lewis&#8217;s <a href="https://amzn.to/3AL6Ct7">Boomerang</a>, about the recent financial crisis and its global repercussions: </p>
<blockquote><p>But then how did people who seem as intelligent and successful and honest and well organized as the Germans allow themselves to be drawn into such a mess? In their financial affairs they’d ticked all the little boxes to ensure that the contents of the bigger box were not rotten, and yet ignored the overpowering stench wafting from the big box. Nölling felt the problem had its roots in German national character. “We entered Maastricht because they had these <em>rules</em>,” he says, as we move off to his kitchen and plates heaped with the white asparagus Germans take such pride in growing. “We were talked into this under false pretenses. Germans are, by and large, gullible people. They trust and believe. They <em>like</em> to trust. They <em>like</em> to believe.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Aristophanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aristophanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Adding to the diversity is the huge number of immigrants: 30% of the population is foreign-born, about the highest percentage in the world.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

If your first question to this statement from the article wasn&#039;t, &quot;and what are the racial makeups and nationalities of these people?&quot; I&#039;m not sure I can help you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Adding to the diversity is the huge number of immigrants: 30% of the population is foreign-born, about the highest percentage in the world.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>If your first question to this statement from the article wasn&#8217;t, &#8220;and what are the racial makeups and nationalities of these people?&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure I can help you.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once knew a young couple from Switzerland (German speaking.) They were really, really teeth-achingly nice people.

They tried to move to Germany and got caught in an apartment scam. They were exactly the sort of people who get scammed. The sort who think life is all lederhosen and yodeling.

How do people get to be that way? Where do absurdly high trust societies come from? (It&#039;s no mystery how they die.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once knew a young couple from Switzerland (German speaking.) They were really, really teeth-achingly nice people.</p>
<p>They tried to move to Germany and got caught in an apartment scam. They were exactly the sort of people who get scammed. The sort who think life is all lederhosen and yodeling.</p>
<p>How do people get to be that way? Where do absurdly high trust societies come from? (It&#8217;s no mystery how they die.)</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn’t find &lt;em&gt;The Swiss Banks&lt;/em&gt; on Amazon, but there is a very expensive used copy of his evocatively named &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/35FnKVN&quot;&gt;The Gnomes of Zurich&lt;/a&gt;, which would appear to have the same topic and the same year of publication (1966).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn’t find <em>The Swiss Banks</em> on Amazon, but there is a very expensive used copy of his evocatively named <a href="https://amzn.to/35FnKVN">The Gnomes of Zurich</a>, which would appear to have the same topic and the same year of publication (1966).</p>
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