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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...high capital costs of presently implemented nuclear installations...&quot;

This doesn&#039;t have to be the case and if nukes are cheaper I would be all for them. In fact it&#039;s well known  that the oil and gas industry funded environmentalist that attacked nuclear power.

At the same time it doesn&#039;t help that nuke plants were built so stupidly that they built a fast sodium cooled reactor in California. Can you imagine tall this molten sodium and nuke fuel mixed with water due to earthquakes? It&#039;s stupid.

It&#039;s seems that every single good way to make nuke power they abandoned while pouring money into the ones that had major flaws if anything went wrong.

Adam&#039;s Atomic engines had an excellent idea to use ceramic coated nuke balls in nitrogen gas using normal gas turbines to make power. No one picked up on this. He patented a valve that would slow the reaction and stop nuclear fission to control the reactor and the only gas used was nitrogen, cheap and simple but no instead we use pressurized reactors that if anything goes wrong they run away. He even quit the navy and started a company because he thought that it made so much sense that this low cost way using proven materials could make nuclear power abundant and everyone would jump on it. But no. It makes no sense. He has a ton of stuff on reactors on his site archive. I think he gave up reactors though.

https://atomicinsights.com/using-portable-nuclear-generators-to-break-petroleum-logistical-dependence-circa-1968/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;high capital costs of presently implemented nuclear installations&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t have to be the case and if nukes are cheaper I would be all for them. In fact it&#8217;s well known  that the oil and gas industry funded environmentalist that attacked nuclear power.</p>
<p>At the same time it doesn&#8217;t help that nuke plants were built so stupidly that they built a fast sodium cooled reactor in California. Can you imagine tall this molten sodium and nuke fuel mixed with water due to earthquakes? It&#8217;s stupid.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s seems that every single good way to make nuke power they abandoned while pouring money into the ones that had major flaws if anything went wrong.</p>
<p>Adam&#8217;s Atomic engines had an excellent idea to use ceramic coated nuke balls in nitrogen gas using normal gas turbines to make power. No one picked up on this. He patented a valve that would slow the reaction and stop nuclear fission to control the reactor and the only gas used was nitrogen, cheap and simple but no instead we use pressurized reactors that if anything goes wrong they run away. He even quit the navy and started a company because he thought that it made so much sense that this low cost way using proven materials could make nuclear power abundant and everyone would jump on it. But no. It makes no sense. He has a ton of stuff on reactors on his site archive. I think he gave up reactors though.</p>
<p><a href="https://atomicinsights.com/using-portable-nuclear-generators-to-break-petroleum-logistical-dependence-circa-1968/" >https://atomicinsights.com/using-portable-nuclear-generators-to-break-petroleum-logistical-dependence-circa-1968/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Chrysostom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Chrysostom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 02:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The high capital costs of presently implemented nuclear installations is an artifact of artificial limitations imposed by the chief communists of the 20th century, the united states government, on anyone who might think of trying to implement nuclear technology.

In general, the most economically valuable niches for using our friend, the atom, is in fact on small scales, not massive scales. A simple example being logistical capacity, which has ever been a primary limiting factor for productive development throughout history, the capitalization of nuclear powered transportation affording economies of scale only dreamed of heretofore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The high capital costs of presently implemented nuclear installations is an artifact of artificial limitations imposed by the chief communists of the 20th century, the united states government, on anyone who might think of trying to implement nuclear technology.</p>
<p>In general, the most economically valuable niches for using our friend, the atom, is in fact on small scales, not massive scales. A simple example being logistical capacity, which has ever been a primary limiting factor for productive development throughout history, the capitalization of nuclear powered transportation affording economies of scale only dreamed of heretofore.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2021 00:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Foster says, &quot;Sam J., remember, a kW from nuclear and a kW from solar are two very different things in terms of the actual energy they will generate.&quot;

Why would you even say such a thing? Are you insinuating that I do not know the Sun doesn&#039;t shine 24 hours a day???

Why do you think I go on so much about the cost of batteries if I in actuality think the Sun shines 24 hours a day?

Earlier I said it could be possible to get 20kW hours of flywheel storage for $1,000 or maybe as low as $333. Solar you can get right now for $645.45/kW. If you only get power 6 hours a day it comes too $2,150 assuming you need 20kW hours a day power for a house. A high of $1,000 for batteries. For the hell of it you could add a small 1kW generator to that for less than $1,000. Compared to $6,000 base cost for nukes that&#039;s a bargain and solar cells don&#039;t blow up or melt down.

I&#039;ve said, constantly, I&#039;m not against nuclear power but if nukes cost &quot;...$6000 per kw of capacity...&quot; and you can get solar and batteries cheaper then why have nukes? The present system for cooling nukes when they turn off is retarded and why the Fukushima plant blew up (if it wasn&#039;t the Jews that did it). They have batteries that only last a little while, generators that only keep working as long as they can have more fuel delivered but neither of which will stay on long enough to keep the plant from being damaged from built up heat and possibly melting down. 

You don&#039;t have to be a irrational tree hugger to realize the present system of nukes are flawed. It&#039;s seems to me just as irrational to idolize nuclear power as some techno nirvana if we can just put solar cells on people houses and be done with it. The rest we can burn coal.

Pressurized water reactors are used because that&#039;s what the Jew Adm. Rickover paid for for the navies nuke sub program and they wanted to use the nukes we had to make bombs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster says, &#8220;Sam J., remember, a kW from nuclear and a kW from solar are two very different things in terms of the actual energy they will generate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why would you even say such a thing? Are you insinuating that I do not know the Sun doesn&#8217;t shine 24 hours a day???</p>
<p>Why do you think I go on so much about the cost of batteries if I in actuality think the Sun shines 24 hours a day?</p>
<p>Earlier I said it could be possible to get 20kW hours of flywheel storage for $1,000 or maybe as low as $333. Solar you can get right now for $645.45/kW. If you only get power 6 hours a day it comes too $2,150 assuming you need 20kW hours a day power for a house. A high of $1,000 for batteries. For the hell of it you could add a small 1kW generator to that for less than $1,000. Compared to $6,000 base cost for nukes that&#8217;s a bargain and solar cells don&#8217;t blow up or melt down.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said, constantly, I&#8217;m not against nuclear power but if nukes cost &#8220;&#8230;$6000 per kw of capacity&#8230;&#8221; and you can get solar and batteries cheaper then why have nukes? The present system for cooling nukes when they turn off is retarded and why the Fukushima plant blew up (if it wasn&#8217;t the Jews that did it). They have batteries that only last a little while, generators that only keep working as long as they can have more fuel delivered but neither of which will stay on long enough to keep the plant from being damaged from built up heat and possibly melting down. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to be a irrational tree hugger to realize the present system of nukes are flawed. It&#8217;s seems to me just as irrational to idolize nuclear power as some techno nirvana if we can just put solar cells on people houses and be done with it. The rest we can burn coal.</p>
<p>Pressurized water reactors are used because that&#8217;s what the Jew Adm. Rickover paid for for the navies nuke sub program and they wanted to use the nukes we had to make bombs.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2021 01:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We can get cheap energy by chaining Ivy Leaguers to bicycle generators and riding them they way they ride us for the rest of their days.  

We&#039;d also finally get some use and satisfaction from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can get cheap energy by chaining Ivy Leaguers to bicycle generators and riding them they way they ride us for the rest of their days.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;d also finally get some use and satisfaction from them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam J., remember, a kW from nuclear and a kW from solar are two very different things in terms of the actual energy they will generate.  A kW of installed nuclear capacity can generate 24 hours worth of full output, if needed, every day. A kW of solar will get you at best 5&#8211;6 equivalent hours every day.  And there are seasonal as well as daily patterns in solar availability &#8212; and sometimes days on end, in snowstorms and heavy rains, for example, where little sun will be shining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam J., remember, a kW from nuclear and a kW from solar are two very different things in terms of the actual energy they will generate.  A kW of installed nuclear capacity can generate 24 hours worth of full output, if needed, every day. A kW of solar will get you at best 5&ndash;6 equivalent hours every day.  And there are seasonal as well as daily patterns in solar availability &mdash; and sometimes days on end, in snowstorms and heavy rains, for example, where little sun will be shining.</p>
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		<title>By: Albion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting about the metering of power. In the UK there is a huge push to get people to install &#039;smart meters&#039; that will show, any place you care to put it in the home, how much energy you are using. Of course, any electronic device that communicates via chip and wi-fi can work the reverse way and be controlled externally to cut down your &#039;excess consumption&#039; automatically.

In the same way metering then does not need humans knocking on doors for admittance; in the UK most meters now are positioned outside new houses. With &#039;smart meters&#039; it can all be done remotely anyway. No big deal to transmit back that your heating is dialled down lower and the kettle isn&#039;t working right now, so try again later.

Interesting times where we now think all these power-holders are kind-hearted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting about the metering of power. In the UK there is a huge push to get people to install &#8216;smart meters&#8217; that will show, any place you care to put it in the home, how much energy you are using. Of course, any electronic device that communicates via chip and wi-fi can work the reverse way and be controlled externally to cut down your &#8216;excess consumption&#8217; automatically.</p>
<p>In the same way metering then does not need humans knocking on doors for admittance; in the UK most meters now are positioned outside new houses. With &#8216;smart meters&#8217; it can all be done remotely anyway. No big deal to transmit back that your heating is dialled down lower and the kettle isn&#8217;t working right now, so try again later.</p>
<p>Interesting times where we now think all these power-holders are kind-hearted.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2021 06:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no such thing as a happy environmentalist. They are all in for green energy until the windmills and solar panels are in their backyard then they&#039;ll bitch about mining the materials. When will they be happy? Maybe when everyone but them is shivering naked in the rain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no such thing as a happy environmentalist. They are all in for green energy until the windmills and solar panels are in their backyard then they&#8217;ll bitch about mining the materials. When will they be happy? Maybe when everyone but them is shivering naked in the rain.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David F:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Would need to be based on a selected peak for the home or business&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

We certainly could do that today -- analogous to the way we can choose to pay for a specified bandwidth for internet.  Back in the days of &quot;too cheap to meter&quot; -- when houses were smaller, AC units less common, hot tubs unknown -- the range in electric power consumption among households was probably a lot less than today (even ignoring AlGore&#039;s third mansion), making a fixed monthly charge easier to implement.

The pervasive effect of Big Intrusive Government regulation on the electric supply system should not be ignored.  The speculator who takes a subsidy to build a bird-whacker also gets paid an above-market rate for any electricity she produces, whether the market needs it at that time or not.  In contrast, the utility which starts building a nuclear power plant is not allowed to recover costs until years later when the last bureaucrat signs off on the last piece of paper allowing the plant to start up.  Different regulations would produce different results.

As you note, relatively speaking, a gas-fired power plant has lower capital costs/higher fuel costs versus a nuclear plant which has higher capital costs/lower fuel costs.  It is interesting to speculate what the power supply system would look like without the heavy hand of regulation on the scale.  

Of course, without Big Intrusive Government&#039;s mandates &amp; subsidies, we know that uncompetitive so-called &quot;renewables&quot; would be limited to niche uses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David F:  <i>&#8220;Would need to be based on a selected peak for the home or business&#8221;</i></p>
<p>We certainly could do that today &#8212; analogous to the way we can choose to pay for a specified bandwidth for internet.  Back in the days of &#8220;too cheap to meter&#8221; &#8212; when houses were smaller, AC units less common, hot tubs unknown &#8212; the range in electric power consumption among households was probably a lot less than today (even ignoring AlGore&#8217;s third mansion), making a fixed monthly charge easier to implement.</p>
<p>The pervasive effect of Big Intrusive Government regulation on the electric supply system should not be ignored.  The speculator who takes a subsidy to build a bird-whacker also gets paid an above-market rate for any electricity she produces, whether the market needs it at that time or not.  In contrast, the utility which starts building a nuclear power plant is not allowed to recover costs until years later when the last bureaucrat signs off on the last piece of paper allowing the plant to start up.  Different regulations would produce different results.</p>
<p>As you note, relatively speaking, a gas-fired power plant has lower capital costs/higher fuel costs versus a nuclear plant which has higher capital costs/lower fuel costs.  It is interesting to speculate what the power supply system would look like without the heavy hand of regulation on the scale.  </p>
<p>Of course, without Big Intrusive Government&#8217;s mandates &amp; subsidies, we know that uncompetitive so-called &#8220;renewables&#8221; would be limited to niche uses.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not against nuclear power, but David Foster said nuclear power costs “$6,000 per kW of capacity.”

This is too high. Doing a random simple search you can get solar right now for $645.45/kW. So then we need batteries for storage. I just did a rough calculation on flywheels here,

https://www.isegoria.net/2021/10/the-lithium-metal-battery-with-this-architecture-had-an-energy-density-of-560-whkg/comment-page-1/#comment-3446302

I came up with 100 kW-hr, (larger Tesla model S battery), we get $1,666.66. Now, we don&#039;t need this for a house. I&#039;ve seen figures of 20 kW-hr need for a normal house so $333.332 and even if we triple the price we get $1,000. You can get MOSFETs to control the output from these flywheels for 200amp service for as an example

20pcs IRF3205 IR MOSFET N-CHANNEL 55V/110A TO-220-US $8.63(from ebay)

So get the cost of solar cells down a little and make some decent flywheels for batteries and you could crush the cost of electricity compared to nuke power.

The key is to forget this big government lust for huge wind farms[bird killers that burst into flames], large solar farms and concentrate on research on solar, batteries, inverters and tax breaks for production of small solar systems for houses, out buildings, etc. and over time the tech will make this happen.

You&#039;re still going to need nukes for big chemical plants, commercial, etc but housing and transportation can go solar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not against nuclear power, but David Foster said nuclear power costs “$6,000 per kW of capacity.”</p>
<p>This is too high. Doing a random simple search you can get solar right now for $645.45/kW. So then we need batteries for storage. I just did a rough calculation on flywheels here,</p>
<p><a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2021/10/the-lithium-metal-battery-with-this-architecture-had-an-energy-density-of-560-whkg/comment-page-1/#comment-3446302" >https://www.isegoria.net/2021/10/the-lithium-metal-battery-with-this-architecture-had-an-energy-density-of-560-whkg/comment-page-1/#comment-3446302</a></p>
<p>I came up with 100 kW-hr, (larger Tesla model S battery), we get $1,666.66. Now, we don&#8217;t need this for a house. I&#8217;ve seen figures of 20 kW-hr need for a normal house so $333.332 and even if we triple the price we get $1,000. You can get MOSFETs to control the output from these flywheels for 200amp service for as an example</p>
<p>20pcs IRF3205 IR MOSFET N-CHANNEL 55V/110A TO-220-US $8.63(from ebay)</p>
<p>So get the cost of solar cells down a little and make some decent flywheels for batteries and you could crush the cost of electricity compared to nuke power.</p>
<p>The key is to forget this big government lust for huge wind farms[bird killers that burst into flames], large solar farms and concentrate on research on solar, batteries, inverters and tax breaks for production of small solar systems for houses, out buildings, etc. and over time the tech will make this happen.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re still going to need nukes for big chemical plants, commercial, etc but housing and transportation can go solar.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin...fixed vs variable charges...would especially make sense for nuclear since the capital cost is such a big part of the total cost.  Would need to be based on a selected peak for the home or business: if you sign up for a 10kw peak, then you need to stay under it at all times.  (Maybe have a fairly high charge for anything used above the peak), but if your typical peak is 20kw, then sign up and pay for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin&#8230;fixed vs variable charges&#8230;would especially make sense for nuclear since the capital cost is such a big part of the total cost.  Would need to be based on a selected peak for the home or business: if you sign up for a 10kw peak, then you need to stay under it at all times.  (Maybe have a fairly high charge for anything used above the peak), but if your typical peak is 20kw, then sign up and pay for that.</p>
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