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	<title>Comments on: The Battle at Lake Changjin was sponsored by the Chinese government and deliberately timed for release before the country’s National Day holiday</title>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Victory is glorious, defeat is depressing. Peace is pleasant but dull — and always temporary.

War is just part of the way the world works, like the weather. The great civilizations all managed the problem of collective violence but never seriously tried to eliminate it.

Lost Cause theory is simply stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victory is glorious, defeat is depressing. Peace is pleasant but dull — and always temporary.</p>
<p>War is just part of the way the world works, like the weather. The great civilizations all managed the problem of collective violence but never seriously tried to eliminate it.</p>
<p>Lost Cause theory is simply stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Altitude Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Altitude Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2021 15:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[War is indeed horrible, and people should recognize this. The problem is, of course, is that countries that teach their people that war is glorious usually defeat countries that teach their people that war is the worst evil. Mongols vs China, Germans vs French 1940. etc, etc. It&#039;s not a hard and fast rule, but it&#039;s the way to bet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War is indeed horrible, and people should recognize this. The problem is, of course, is that countries that teach their people that war is glorious usually defeat countries that teach their people that war is the worst evil. Mongols vs China, Germans vs French 1940. etc, etc. It&#8217;s not a hard and fast rule, but it&#8217;s the way to bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin is correct. The main reason this is so is because the Jews run the big horn propaganda machine in the US and Europe and love to demoralize everyone and pour hatred on them. The people they promote in White countries are a bunch of dissatisfied mass haters who hate society and find a willing financier in the Jews demoralization scheme. The amount of effort they put into this astounds me. Think what kind of mentality you have to have to constantly role out this onslaught of lies and gas-lighting for decade after decade. 

It&#039;s odd as can be but I can not find a torrent file to download or a place to down load this movie. This is extremely, extremely odd. Especially for something that has so many people seeing it. I would like to see it with english subtitles to see how they handle it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin is correct. The main reason this is so is because the Jews run the big horn propaganda machine in the US and Europe and love to demoralize everyone and pour hatred on them. The people they promote in White countries are a bunch of dissatisfied mass haters who hate society and find a willing financier in the Jews demoralization scheme. The amount of effort they put into this astounds me. Think what kind of mentality you have to have to constantly role out this onslaught of lies and gas-lighting for decade after decade. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd as can be but I can not find a torrent file to download or a place to down load this movie. This is extremely, extremely odd. Especially for something that has so many people seeing it. I would like to see it with english subtitles to see how they handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: Goober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin, very well stated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin, very well stated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Purcell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Purcell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2021 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;The Chinese were frozen in situ.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

So, they had the high honor to die holding their posts. A good screenwriter could handle it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The Chinese were frozen in situ.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>So, they had the high honor to die holding their posts. A good screenwriter could handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goober:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;so this isn’t an anti-America rant.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

But you can see how close to an anti-America rant it is.  

That is the big difference between the US and China -- the American Establishment is all-in focusing on all the bad things in US history, to the complete exclusion of the occasional good things.  The US Political Class has persuaded so many US residents to be ashamed of their history (and themselves), whereas China&#039;s Political Class is trying to persuade their citizens that there is much to be proud of in their history.

War is Hell -- that statement is true and comes from the American Civil War.  So are Great Leaps Forward and Cultural Revolutions.  But China&#039;s rulers are not trying to tell today&#039;s Chinese that they have Original Sin because of the bad events in China&#039;s past.

I doubt that anywhere in America there are government teachers preaching that war is glorious.  And that is a good thing.  But history shows that sometimes the very high costs of war are the least bad option.  Unfortunately, today&#039;s anti-American Woke US Establishment prefers to sell the lie that the US has been the cause of everything bad in this world -- even in 1619, a century &amp; a half before the US existed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goober:  <i>&#8220;so this isn’t an anti-America rant.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>But you can see how close to an anti-America rant it is.  </p>
<p>That is the big difference between the US and China &#8212; the American Establishment is all-in focusing on all the bad things in US history, to the complete exclusion of the occasional good things.  The US Political Class has persuaded so many US residents to be ashamed of their history (and themselves), whereas China&#8217;s Political Class is trying to persuade their citizens that there is much to be proud of in their history.</p>
<p>War is Hell &#8212; that statement is true and comes from the American Civil War.  So are Great Leaps Forward and Cultural Revolutions.  But China&#8217;s rulers are not trying to tell today&#8217;s Chinese that they have Original Sin because of the bad events in China&#8217;s past.</p>
<p>I doubt that anywhere in America there are government teachers preaching that war is glorious.  And that is a good thing.  But history shows that sometimes the very high costs of war are the least bad option.  Unfortunately, today&#8217;s anti-American Woke US Establishment prefers to sell the lie that the US has been the cause of everything bad in this world &#8212; even in 1619, a century &amp; a half before the US existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Adar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2021 01:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;The Chinese were frozen in situ, literally frozen stone cold dead frozen.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Correct. Chinese probably suffered from the cold worse than the USA military. The Chinese units had to be withdrawn after the battle for refit and did not enter the war after.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The Chinese were frozen in situ, literally frozen stone cold dead frozen.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Correct. Chinese probably suffered from the cold worse than the USA military. The Chinese units had to be withdrawn after the battle for refit and did not enter the war after.</p>
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		<title>By: Goober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;The Chinese were frozen in situ, literally frozen stone cold dead frozen.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Most Americans know the stories of our great victories:  D-Day, the Battle of the Bulge, etc.  It&#039;s a shame that we don&#039;t hear about any of the real slogs, because it might smash the concept of &quot;glorious war&quot; in the minds of our youth forever.  

The meat grinder at Hurtgen, or the endless, terrifying slog through the freezing, relentless winter at Chosin, I think, would be better things to teach our kids, than the glorious victories.  

In both Hurtgen and Chosin, the Americans eventually accomplished their goals (breaking through the Seigfried Line in the former, and beating a tactical withdrawal without losing combat effectiveness and collapsing the lines at the latter), so this isn&#039;t an anti-America rant.  It might just do some good to actually teach about the horrors of real, actual war, so that we aren&#039;t so qick to do it in the future.  

You know, like right now with half the damn country clamoring for a civil war that they REALLY DON&#039;T WANT, I PROMISE...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The Chinese were frozen in situ, literally frozen stone cold dead frozen.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Most Americans know the stories of our great victories:  D-Day, the Battle of the Bulge, etc.  It&#8217;s a shame that we don&#8217;t hear about any of the real slogs, because it might smash the concept of &#8220;glorious war&#8221; in the minds of our youth forever.  </p>
<p>The meat grinder at Hurtgen, or the endless, terrifying slog through the freezing, relentless winter at Chosin, I think, would be better things to teach our kids, than the glorious victories.  </p>
<p>In both Hurtgen and Chosin, the Americans eventually accomplished their goals (breaking through the Seigfried Line in the former, and beating a tactical withdrawal without losing combat effectiveness and collapsing the lines at the latter), so this isn&#8217;t an anti-America rant.  It might just do some good to actually teach about the horrors of real, actual war, so that we aren&#8217;t so qick to do it in the future.  </p>
<p>You know, like right now with half the damn country clamoring for a civil war that they REALLY DON&#8217;T WANT, I PROMISE&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how the script writers handled the part where a Chinese blocking force arrives in position athwart the path of the retreating marines dug in and awaited the marines. When the marines arrived in their rush for the coast and escape the marines passed through the Chinese force without a shot being fired. The Chinese were frozen in situ, literally frozen stone cold dead frozen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the script writers handled the part where a Chinese blocking force arrives in position athwart the path of the retreating marines dug in and awaited the marines. When the marines arrived in their rush for the coast and escape the marines passed through the Chinese force without a shot being fired. The Chinese were frozen in situ, literally frozen stone cold dead frozen.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chinese TV is full of series set during the Japanese occupation of China before &amp; during WWII.  General plot line seems to be clever Chinese outwitting stupid Japanese.  Maybe that vein of history is getting worked out, so China is moving on to clever Chinese defeating stupid Americans in Korea.

The real point is that official China is proud of China and its history.  The contrast with insider America could not be plainer.

Note the movie &quot;Midway&quot; from a couple of years back.  Smart dedicated Americans turning the tables on capable Japan in WWII.  An American movie, but made with Chinese investors because American studios had no interest in retelling an American success story.

The problem is not China and the Chinese Communist Party.  The problem is the foolish US Political Class -- and the rest of us, who tolerate their stupidity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese TV is full of series set during the Japanese occupation of China before &amp; during WWII.  General plot line seems to be clever Chinese outwitting stupid Japanese.  Maybe that vein of history is getting worked out, so China is moving on to clever Chinese defeating stupid Americans in Korea.</p>
<p>The real point is that official China is proud of China and its history.  The contrast with insider America could not be plainer.</p>
<p>Note the movie &#8220;Midway&#8221; from a couple of years back.  Smart dedicated Americans turning the tables on capable Japan in WWII.  An American movie, but made with Chinese investors because American studios had no interest in retelling an American success story.</p>
<p>The problem is not China and the Chinese Communist Party.  The problem is the foolish US Political Class &#8212; and the rest of us, who tolerate their stupidity.</p>
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