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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;All major nations have suffered defeat in asymmetric warfare over the last century. WTF! Do generals not learn from history?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Well, yes. Our Generals learned to cash in.

Now in truth the only reason &quot;major nations&quot; suffer defeat is at table from the diplomacy of the only &quot;major nation&quot; that is USA.  

Smart minor nations that ignore their treacherous, insane psychopathic nonsense like Sri Lanka win. Sri Lanka got China as ally in exchange for ports, then was able to kick out the NGOs and media and defeat the LTTE, who were the insurgent force par excellence.  

It&#039;s all hype nonsense. I can find &quot;4th generation war&quot; in the freaking Old Testament.  

As Luttwak points out Counter-Insurgency is military malpractice.  The truth is insurgencies that aren&#039;t supported from outside are flashes in the pan.  The Brits prepared guerrilla warfare against expected German invasion, but predicted a two-week lifespan.  The French resistance and all the rest would have petered out without support from Britain, the SOE, the OSS, etc., as well as the Free French forces.  

The North Vietnamese had no trouble against tribesmen armed first by the French and after the Americans.  Asymmetric is weak vs strong, it is crushed unless the &quot;insurgents&quot; have outside support and safe havens to flee and stage from.

We&#039;re looking at not decades of defeat but decades of treachery coming from Foggy Bottom and it&#039;s vassals at Whitehall, Brussels, Turtle Bay. 

The Taliban won with &lt;em&gt;our USA money&lt;/em&gt; filtered through Pakistan. This isn&#039;t a secret, not only our money but our supplies.  

That we are fools who keep being swindled and tricked, into the very death of our children in war speaks to our inability to defend ourselves from betrayal, no matter how brazen, open, trumpeted, matter of public record, published...on and on.

We are a high trust culture of trusting children who can&#039;t deal with or accept betrayal, never mind respond to betrayal.  So treason is no longer even conviction or ideology but monetized.

That is what our Generals learned, and what DC taught them, but I am telling you NOTHING you didn&#039;t already know.  We are betrayed. 

We are betrayed,  to death, to treason, to ruin? Now what will YOU do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;All major nations have suffered defeat in asymmetric warfare over the last century. WTF! Do generals not learn from history?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Well, yes. Our Generals learned to cash in.</p>
<p>Now in truth the only reason &#8220;major nations&#8221; suffer defeat is at table from the diplomacy of the only &#8220;major nation&#8221; that is USA.  </p>
<p>Smart minor nations that ignore their treacherous, insane psychopathic nonsense like Sri Lanka win. Sri Lanka got China as ally in exchange for ports, then was able to kick out the NGOs and media and defeat the LTTE, who were the insurgent force par excellence.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all hype nonsense. I can find &#8220;4th generation war&#8221; in the freaking Old Testament.  </p>
<p>As Luttwak points out Counter-Insurgency is military malpractice.  The truth is insurgencies that aren&#8217;t supported from outside are flashes in the pan.  The Brits prepared guerrilla warfare against expected German invasion, but predicted a two-week lifespan.  The French resistance and all the rest would have petered out without support from Britain, the SOE, the OSS, etc., as well as the Free French forces.  </p>
<p>The North Vietnamese had no trouble against tribesmen armed first by the French and after the Americans.  Asymmetric is weak vs strong, it is crushed unless the &#8220;insurgents&#8221; have outside support and safe havens to flee and stage from.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re looking at not decades of defeat but decades of treachery coming from Foggy Bottom and it&#8217;s vassals at Whitehall, Brussels, Turtle Bay. </p>
<p>The Taliban won with <em>our USA money</em> filtered through Pakistan. This isn&#8217;t a secret, not only our money but our supplies.  </p>
<p>That we are fools who keep being swindled and tricked, into the very death of our children in war speaks to our inability to defend ourselves from betrayal, no matter how brazen, open, trumpeted, matter of public record, published&#8230;on and on.</p>
<p>We are a high trust culture of trusting children who can&#8217;t deal with or accept betrayal, never mind respond to betrayal.  So treason is no longer even conviction or ideology but monetized.</p>
<p>That is what our Generals learned, and what DC taught them, but I am telling you NOTHING you didn&#8217;t already know.  We are betrayed. </p>
<p>We are betrayed,  to death, to treason, to ruin? Now what will YOU do?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 21:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first problem with dissenting voices is they&#039;re talk that makes those in power feel bad. The second problem with dissenting voices is that they&#039;re just talk.

I see one and only one application for free speech: allowing those with the ability to face the truth to find each other and organize into an alternative society. Once that&#039;s done, we don&#039;t need the commons &#8212; except perhaps to recruit. We&#039;ll make our own commons.

To speak truth to power is pointless. Go speak truth to someone else, because power ain&#039;t listening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first problem with dissenting voices is they&#8217;re talk that makes those in power feel bad. The second problem with dissenting voices is that they&#8217;re just talk.</p>
<p>I see one and only one application for free speech: allowing those with the ability to face the truth to find each other and organize into an alternative society. Once that&#8217;s done, we don&#8217;t need the commons &mdash; except perhaps to recruit. We&#8217;ll make our own commons.</p>
<p>To speak truth to power is pointless. Go speak truth to someone else, because power ain&#8217;t listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Szopen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Szopen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 19:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To your list I&#039;d add Soviets and Polish Commies against AK, Soviets against UPA.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;a lot of the ways to defeat it aren’t very politically correct&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I thought USA pretty much won against guerillas in Vietnam militarily?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your list I&#8217;d add Soviets and Polish Commies against AK, Soviets against UPA.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;a lot of the ways to defeat it aren’t very politically correct&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I thought USA pretty much won against guerillas in Vietnam militarily?</p>
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		<title>By: Altitude Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Altitude Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 19:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, there have been some successes by major powers in asymmetric warfare; the US against Aguinaldo in the Philippines, the Brits in Malaya, the Philippine Govt against the Huks, the Brits in Kenya against the MauMau, Salvadorean Army vs the FMLN. Even in Vietnam, the US/ARVN destroyed the VC, only to lose the political war on the home front. Asymmetric warfare isn&#039;t magic, but a lot of the ways to defeat it aren&#039;t very politically correct, and they don&#039;t make good powerpoint presentations or flow charts, so don&#039;t hold your breath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there have been some successes by major powers in asymmetric warfare; the US against Aguinaldo in the Philippines, the Brits in Malaya, the Philippine Govt against the Huks, the Brits in Kenya against the MauMau, Salvadorean Army vs the FMLN. Even in Vietnam, the US/ARVN destroyed the VC, only to lose the political war on the home front. Asymmetric warfare isn&#8217;t magic, but a lot of the ways to defeat it aren&#8217;t very politically correct, and they don&#8217;t make good powerpoint presentations or flow charts, so don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 03:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All major nations have suffered defeat in asymmetric warfare over the last century. WTF! Do generals not learn from history?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All major nations have suffered defeat in asymmetric warfare over the last century. WTF! Do generals not learn from history?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do we build anything? We clear away the poison ivy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we build anything? We clear away the poison ivy.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Dissenting voices were ground into dust by the national security bureaucracy.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Probably from Battalion up.  800 men commanded by LTC. 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;No one will suffer damage to his career or incur reputational damage, except those brave souls who tried to stop it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Dissenting voices were ground into dust by the national security bureaucracy.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Probably from Battalion up.  800 men commanded by LTC. </p>
<p><em>&#8220;No one will suffer damage to his career or incur reputational damage, except those brave souls who tried to stop it.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Correct.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 22:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On another related note: do peer into the future for the next disaster, and much warning was given.

Results of Exercise involving Drones: the Drones did so much damage against the 25th ID they became the Division Priority target.  Let it not be said the warnings were not given. 

“Current Army capabilities and doctrine, especially that found in Army Techniques Publication (ATP) 3-01.81, Counter-Unmanned Aircraft System Techniques, are insufficient to meet the demands of the present and future battlefields.” 

Our doctrine: HIDE. If they detect you, RUN. 

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/March-April-2021/Scott-Counter-UAS/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another related note: do peer into the future for the next disaster, and much warning was given.</p>
<p>Results of Exercise involving Drones: the Drones did so much damage against the 25th ID they became the Division Priority target.  Let it not be said the warnings were not given. </p>
<p>“Current Army capabilities and doctrine, especially that found in Army Techniques Publication (ATP) 3-01.81, Counter-Unmanned Aircraft System Techniques, are insufficient to meet the demands of the present and future battlefields.” </p>
<p>Our doctrine: HIDE. If they detect you, RUN. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/March-April-2021/Scott-Counter-UAS/" >https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/March-April-2021/Scott-Counter-UAS/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Wild Goose</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Wild Goose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 18:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin,

An excellent point. Catherine Austin Fitts has made a similar point when it comes to resisting the current madness. We don&#039;t need everyone to push back, just a tiny, determined core with a larger support group should do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin,</p>
<p>An excellent point. Catherine Austin Fitts has made a similar point when it comes to resisting the current madness. We don&#8217;t need everyone to push back, just a tiny, determined core with a larger support group should do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 17:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is an interesting parallel.  

Reportedly, there are not that many Taliban — maybe 70-80,000 in a country of around 40 Million.  About 0.2%.  (Coincidentally, around the same asserted mortality rate from the dreaded Covid).  And yet that small group has taken over the country — at least temporarily.

Compare that with the 300+ Million people in the US.  The percentage of people who get credentialed by Ivy League schools and orbit around the DC Swamp is probably of that same order of magnitude.  And yet that small group of evil self-serving incompetents has taken over the US and is running it into the ground.

It makes one think!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting parallel.  </p>
<p>Reportedly, there are not that many Taliban — maybe 70-80,000 in a country of around 40 Million.  About 0.2%.  (Coincidentally, around the same asserted mortality rate from the dreaded Covid).  And yet that small group has taken over the country — at least temporarily.</p>
<p>Compare that with the 300+ Million people in the US.  The percentage of people who get credentialed by Ivy League schools and orbit around the DC Swamp is probably of that same order of magnitude.  And yet that small group of evil self-serving incompetents has taken over the US and is running it into the ground.</p>
<p>It makes one think!</p>
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