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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk says, &lt;em&gt;&quot;Look at Detroit...today, when it is filled with blacks and white trash...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Oh how convenient. We should not discriminate unless we wish to attack Whites who have somehow fought off the savage Blacks. If they do that they are,&quot;White trash&quot;.

Gas-lighting, gas-lighting, gas-lighting. It&#039;s constant and never ending gas-lighting.

Is this guy &quot;White trash&quot;?

http://streetcarnage.com/blog/being-white-in-detroit/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk says, <em>&#8220;Look at Detroit&#8230;today, when it is filled with blacks and white trash&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Oh how convenient. We should not discriminate unless we wish to attack Whites who have somehow fought off the savage Blacks. If they do that they are,&#8221;White trash&#8221;.</p>
<p>Gas-lighting, gas-lighting, gas-lighting. It&#8217;s constant and never ending gas-lighting.</p>
<p>Is this guy &#8220;White trash&#8221;?</p>
<p><a href="http://streetcarnage.com/blog/being-white-in-detroit/" >http://streetcarnage.com/blog/being-white-in-detroit/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 15:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk: &lt;em&gt;“I don’t like the entire concept of ‘race,’ in that it’s not a reliable way to stereotype strangers you might meet.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Oh really???


&quot;1 In 3 Black Males Will Go To Prison In Their Lifetime&quot;

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144

We all know the likelihood of Blacks being actually going to prison for every single crime is close to zero so the actual numbers involved in criminal behavior is far, far higher than this. What you are saying is that criminal behavior is of no consequence and we know this is a lie. You even, blatantly, reverse yourself in saying,&quot;...having seen what had happened in the Congo, Mozambique, Angola etc. he was determined not to be a refugee again...&quot;. I mean who was it that he was worried about being made a refugee? It damn sure wasn&#039;t the Welsh or Hungarians it was Africans.

Tuis stupidity that the law of averages doesn&#039;t apply to race is why so many young White girls are raped and murdered every year because they are taught that all people are exactly a like and that Blacks are not more criminally minded. If they were taught the truth they would not as easily allow themselves into situations where Blacks could take advantage of them. We would not give little 3 year old White girls to savages to beat them to DEATH like happened here.

https://www.wspa.com/news/she-was-sweet-as-could-possibly-be-former-foster-family-remembers-tori-smith/

Or this 13 year old White girl murdered by savages.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411541/Boy-charged-murder-shooting-death-eighth-grade-girl-Virginia.html

(and I could go on tho fill massive pages of these savage crimes).

I sick of being gas-lighted by the lies of the Jews.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk: <em>“I don’t like the entire concept of ‘race,’ in that it’s not a reliable way to stereotype strangers you might meet.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Oh really???</p>
<p>&#8220;1 In 3 Black Males Will Go To Prison In Their Lifetime&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144" >https://www.huffpost.com/entry/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144</a></p>
<p>We all know the likelihood of Blacks being actually going to prison for every single crime is close to zero so the actual numbers involved in criminal behavior is far, far higher than this. What you are saying is that criminal behavior is of no consequence and we know this is a lie. You even, blatantly, reverse yourself in saying,&#8221;&#8230;having seen what had happened in the Congo, Mozambique, Angola etc. he was determined not to be a refugee again&#8230;&#8221;. I mean who was it that he was worried about being made a refugee? It damn sure wasn&#8217;t the Welsh or Hungarians it was Africans.</p>
<p>Tuis stupidity that the law of averages doesn&#8217;t apply to race is why so many young White girls are raped and murdered every year because they are taught that all people are exactly a like and that Blacks are not more criminally minded. If they were taught the truth they would not as easily allow themselves into situations where Blacks could take advantage of them. We would not give little 3 year old White girls to savages to beat them to DEATH like happened here.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wspa.com/news/she-was-sweet-as-could-possibly-be-former-foster-family-remembers-tori-smith/" >https://www.wspa.com/news/she-was-sweet-as-could-possibly-be-former-foster-family-remembers-tori-smith/</a></p>
<p>Or this 13 year old White girl murdered by savages.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411541/Boy-charged-murder-shooting-death-eighth-grade-girl-Virginia.html" >https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411541/Boy-charged-murder-shooting-death-eighth-grade-girl-Virginia.html</a></p>
<p>(and I could go on tho fill massive pages of these savage crimes).</p>
<p>I sick of being gas-lighted by the lies of the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 03:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk: &lt;em&gt;&quot;I don’t like the entire concept of &#039;race,&#039; in that it’s not a reliable way to stereotype strangers you might meet. In other words, it’s not a useful tool, and it doesn’t necessarily work the way people think it does.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

That was precisely my point.  I brought up the race stuff, because I was getting the uncomfortable feeling that the discussion, using Haiti and Somalia as examples, could rather easily de-rail towards some rather racist directions.

In our caveman days, strangers of any kind were suspect, and those of a different ethnicity, even more so and often for good reason, but today it is a &quot;shortcut&quot; that no longer works, but we are evolutionarily programmed to keep using this outdated tool.

I am of the opinion that the individual should be judged as an individual.  There is white scum and black scum, white saints and black saints, and saint or scum, is a matter of the individual&#039;s character, not the color of their skin.  Even if the statistics state that a certain type of criminal is more likely to be (for example) black, that has no bearing on an individual black man I happen to meet.  He could be a gangbanger, but could also be Martin Luther King.... 

My Captain I mentioned was a competent, motivating leader, and his ethnic origins were rather incidental.

The &quot;Race Classifications Board&quot; I mentioned earlier made a deep impression on me for how utterly WRONG it was.  The Captain who trained and mentored me in basic training, an officer I thought of as an exemplar of my profession, would not even have been allowed into the army of Apartheid South Africa in the &#039;70&#039;s.  His merits and contributions would not have come to pass, and his potential wasted.  Instead he came to Canada and I am the better for it.

My father brought us to Canada in the late &#039;70&#039;s.  He was born in Hungary (actually, the town he was born in is now in the Czech Republic).  He left at 13 during the Russian invasion of &#039;56.  His parents had no idea what happened to him until the Red Cross informed them some 6 months later that he had escaped and was to be re-settled as a refugee in Holland.

He never talked about it, but occasionally, let slip the odd bit when drunk. I gather he was involved in the revolution in some way, and the Securitate, or the Russians, were knocking on the front door, and he was out the upstairs window, over the neighbor&#039;s roof and away...  I mentioned once, the experience of marking targets in the &quot;butts&quot;,(any Commonwealth soldier will know what I mean, and I think they still do it that way at Camp Perry), and hearing the supersonic crack of bullets overhead, and he offhandedly remarked that he knew the sound himself, having been shot at as he ran for the border, the person next to him hit...

He served in the Dutch Merchant Navy as an engineer officer, met my mom that way, quit and moved to South Africa to marry her.  Some years later, as a very senior engineering manager at a company that, among other things, made the pressure vessels for the Pelindaba nuclear plant, that produced the South African atom bomb, he quit all that to move to Canada.

He started again from scratch, South Africa having exchange control in place.  I well remember the black, 20 lb box of the transformer that allowed my mom to use her 220V sewing machine in Canada.  It was better to bring all of our small appliances with us, as if we had sold them in South Africa, we would not have been able to bring the money out.  

We went from upper middle class, country club set, to living in a rented row-house.  His engineering credential were not recognized here, so he was a car salesman to begin with, later a plant foreman at a paint and coating factory, never rising even close to the socio-economic level he voluntarily left behind.

His motivation was simple, he had been a refugee once, and having seen what had happened in the Congo, Mozambique, Angola etc.  he was determined not to be a refugee again.  

His other motivation was myself and my brother.  Being on his third country and fourth language, he had very decided opinions about nationalism, and he was damned if his two sons were going to be conscripted into the service of apartheid, to, in his words, &quot;die or lose limbs to a landmines in Angola for apartheid.&quot;

I make a point of thanking him for this at least once a year, as he took no end of flack from friends and acquaintances and my mother&#039;s family when he set out to do it.  My mother resented being torn from her family, and it affected their relationship for many years afterwards, but I appreciate it and tell him so.

One of the reasons I hate the current &quot;white fragility&quot;, &quot;systemic racism&quot; bullsh*t is that I know it is EXACTLY the same thing as the Race Classifications Board.  Judging someone solely on the color of their skin is the exact and dictionary definition of racism, and I want no part of it.

I am lucky that the company I work for has not yet gone down the &quot;unconscious bias&quot; or &quot;white fragility&quot; bullsh*t, because if I ever had to sit through such a lecture, I would not be able to contain myself, and would no doubt express the opinion that this sh*t is EXACTLY the same as the (literally) Nazi science of the &quot;Race Classifications Board&quot;, and I would no doubt get fired for the rant it would provoke....

Going back to Haiti and Somalia (and most other third world countries), the tragedy is that one of the reasons that they remain third world sh*tholes, is that the talented, motivated, intelligent and educated, end up leaving because the insular, tribal and corrupt nature of the society offers them nothing, and they do better elsewhere.  We get the Captain Grondins and the Filipino nurses that are the backbone of many a first world hospital, when they are sorely needed &quot;back home&quot;, but who can blame them for fleeing the dysfunctional....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk: <em>&#8220;I don’t like the entire concept of &#8216;race,&#8217; in that it’s not a reliable way to stereotype strangers you might meet. In other words, it’s not a useful tool, and it doesn’t necessarily work the way people think it does.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>That was precisely my point.  I brought up the race stuff, because I was getting the uncomfortable feeling that the discussion, using Haiti and Somalia as examples, could rather easily de-rail towards some rather racist directions.</p>
<p>In our caveman days, strangers of any kind were suspect, and those of a different ethnicity, even more so and often for good reason, but today it is a &#8220;shortcut&#8221; that no longer works, but we are evolutionarily programmed to keep using this outdated tool.</p>
<p>I am of the opinion that the individual should be judged as an individual.  There is white scum and black scum, white saints and black saints, and saint or scum, is a matter of the individual&#8217;s character, not the color of their skin.  Even if the statistics state that a certain type of criminal is more likely to be (for example) black, that has no bearing on an individual black man I happen to meet.  He could be a gangbanger, but could also be Martin Luther King&#8230;. </p>
<p>My Captain I mentioned was a competent, motivating leader, and his ethnic origins were rather incidental.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Race Classifications Board&#8221; I mentioned earlier made a deep impression on me for how utterly WRONG it was.  The Captain who trained and mentored me in basic training, an officer I thought of as an exemplar of my profession, would not even have been allowed into the army of Apartheid South Africa in the &#8217;70&#8242;s.  His merits and contributions would not have come to pass, and his potential wasted.  Instead he came to Canada and I am the better for it.</p>
<p>My father brought us to Canada in the late &#8217;70&#8242;s.  He was born in Hungary (actually, the town he was born in is now in the Czech Republic).  He left at 13 during the Russian invasion of &#8217;56.  His parents had no idea what happened to him until the Red Cross informed them some 6 months later that he had escaped and was to be re-settled as a refugee in Holland.</p>
<p>He never talked about it, but occasionally, let slip the odd bit when drunk. I gather he was involved in the revolution in some way, and the Securitate, or the Russians, were knocking on the front door, and he was out the upstairs window, over the neighbor&#8217;s roof and away&#8230;  I mentioned once, the experience of marking targets in the &#8220;butts&#8221;,(any Commonwealth soldier will know what I mean, and I think they still do it that way at Camp Perry), and hearing the supersonic crack of bullets overhead, and he offhandedly remarked that he knew the sound himself, having been shot at as he ran for the border, the person next to him hit&#8230;</p>
<p>He served in the Dutch Merchant Navy as an engineer officer, met my mom that way, quit and moved to South Africa to marry her.  Some years later, as a very senior engineering manager at a company that, among other things, made the pressure vessels for the Pelindaba nuclear plant, that produced the South African atom bomb, he quit all that to move to Canada.</p>
<p>He started again from scratch, South Africa having exchange control in place.  I well remember the black, 20 lb box of the transformer that allowed my mom to use her 220V sewing machine in Canada.  It was better to bring all of our small appliances with us, as if we had sold them in South Africa, we would not have been able to bring the money out.  </p>
<p>We went from upper middle class, country club set, to living in a rented row-house.  His engineering credential were not recognized here, so he was a car salesman to begin with, later a plant foreman at a paint and coating factory, never rising even close to the socio-economic level he voluntarily left behind.</p>
<p>His motivation was simple, he had been a refugee once, and having seen what had happened in the Congo, Mozambique, Angola etc.  he was determined not to be a refugee again.  </p>
<p>His other motivation was myself and my brother.  Being on his third country and fourth language, he had very decided opinions about nationalism, and he was damned if his two sons were going to be conscripted into the service of apartheid, to, in his words, &#8220;die or lose limbs to a landmines in Angola for apartheid.&#8221;</p>
<p>I make a point of thanking him for this at least once a year, as he took no end of flack from friends and acquaintances and my mother&#8217;s family when he set out to do it.  My mother resented being torn from her family, and it affected their relationship for many years afterwards, but I appreciate it and tell him so.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I hate the current &#8220;white fragility&#8221;, &#8220;systemic racism&#8221; bullsh*t is that I know it is EXACTLY the same thing as the Race Classifications Board.  Judging someone solely on the color of their skin is the exact and dictionary definition of racism, and I want no part of it.</p>
<p>I am lucky that the company I work for has not yet gone down the &#8220;unconscious bias&#8221; or &#8220;white fragility&#8221; bullsh*t, because if I ever had to sit through such a lecture, I would not be able to contain myself, and would no doubt express the opinion that this sh*t is EXACTLY the same as the (literally) Nazi science of the &#8220;Race Classifications Board&#8221;, and I would no doubt get fired for the rant it would provoke&#8230;.</p>
<p>Going back to Haiti and Somalia (and most other third world countries), the tragedy is that one of the reasons that they remain third world sh*tholes, is that the talented, motivated, intelligent and educated, end up leaving because the insular, tribal and corrupt nature of the society offers them nothing, and they do better elsewhere.  We get the Captain Grondins and the Filipino nurses that are the backbone of many a first world hospital, when they are sorely needed &#8220;back home&#8221;, but who can blame them for fleeing the dysfunctional&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 22:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goober,

See, this is the difference: The Germans and Japanese managed their pilots the way we managed our infantry and other ground combat formations--You there until you died, and that was the only way out.

By contrast, they carefully managed their ground troops the way we did our pilots, making sure that the surviving veterans got a chance to pass on their hard-won knowledge to the replacements coming in.

Weirdly, the US in particular didn&#039;t treat ALL of their troops the way they treated pilots. There were no &quot;25 missions and home&quot; deals offered for line infantry. You had the luck to survive, like an acquaintance of mine did from North Africa into Czechoslovakia with 1ID, well... Yeah. You didn&#039;t get a break, and thanks to someone really, really screwing the pooch with the calculations of his service credits after VE Day, he was still arguing with the Personnel types about whether they should send his ass to Japan or not. He was not a positive person about the Army experience he had in WWII, and when they came to tell him he was going to Korea...? LOL. Very &quot;not happy&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goober,</p>
<p>See, this is the difference: The Germans and Japanese managed their pilots the way we managed our infantry and other ground combat formations&#8211;You there until you died, and that was the only way out.</p>
<p>By contrast, they carefully managed their ground troops the way we did our pilots, making sure that the surviving veterans got a chance to pass on their hard-won knowledge to the replacements coming in.</p>
<p>Weirdly, the US in particular didn&#8217;t treat ALL of their troops the way they treated pilots. There were no &#8220;25 missions and home&#8221; deals offered for line infantry. You had the luck to survive, like an acquaintance of mine did from North Africa into Czechoslovakia with 1ID, well&#8230; Yeah. You didn&#8217;t get a break, and thanks to someone really, really screwing the pooch with the calculations of his service credits after VE Day, he was still arguing with the Personnel types about whether they should send his ass to Japan or not. He was not a positive person about the Army experience he had in WWII, and when they came to tell him he was going to Korea&#8230;? LOL. Very &#8220;not happy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Goober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 21:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are definitely situations where rotation benefitted the US war machine in massive ways.  

For instance, pilot rotation during WWII.

The Japanese and Germans, both, experienced massive &quot;brain drain&quot; and attrition of their best pilots over the course of the war, with their &quot;fly until you die&quot; policy.  What this lead to was that the guys teaching the new pilots, who generally hadn&#039;t had their actual combat experience updated since pre- or very early-war, were still the guys teaching the new pilots how to fly, and how to survive, in a war that had changed light years from what it had been at the beginning. 

Tactics on dogfighting in an A5m were obsolete with the introduction of the A6M, and the ways you survived an engagement with an American pilot flying a Buffalo, versus one flying a Corsair or a Hellcat, where entirely different.  Air combat changed drastically over the course of the war, and the US policy of rotating experienced pilots back to the States to train new pilots meant that even a new US pilot had the training he needed to survive an engagement that was up-to-date and relevant.  

Both the Germans and the Japanese had this knowledge in their pilot base, but it never got back to the training centers in a meaningful way, because these experienced pilots were still flying sorties against the enemy, instead of sharing that invaluable information with new pilots back home.  

It was for this reason that the naval air arm of Japan was completely eviscerated by late 1944, in spite of having experienced similar attrition rates to US pilots by that time.  They launched a new aircraft carrier in 1944,the Shinano, with a full complement of planes, but not a pilot to fly them. It was a converted Yamato class battleship, up to that point in history the largest aircraft carrier to ever exist, but it was relegated to the role of &quot;support carrier&quot; because they had no pilots.

This is the main reason you see German and Japanese &quot;ace&quot; records with such massive kill numbers.  Their pilots weren&#039;t better than ours, they just flew sorties for years on end until they died, taking all of that knowledge with them into the Pacific Ocean, or into fiery wreckage in the Bocage.  American aces were rotated back to the States to train new pilots way before they could rack up massive kill counts like that.  

It&#039;s also the reason that the US was able to field competent pilots throughout the war, instead of seeing marked drop offs in pilot quality (and quantity) as the war dragged on, like most of the Axis forces saw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are definitely situations where rotation benefitted the US war machine in massive ways.  </p>
<p>For instance, pilot rotation during WWII.</p>
<p>The Japanese and Germans, both, experienced massive &#8220;brain drain&#8221; and attrition of their best pilots over the course of the war, with their &#8220;fly until you die&#8221; policy.  What this lead to was that the guys teaching the new pilots, who generally hadn&#8217;t had their actual combat experience updated since pre- or very early-war, were still the guys teaching the new pilots how to fly, and how to survive, in a war that had changed light years from what it had been at the beginning. </p>
<p>Tactics on dogfighting in an A5m were obsolete with the introduction of the A6M, and the ways you survived an engagement with an American pilot flying a Buffalo, versus one flying a Corsair or a Hellcat, where entirely different.  Air combat changed drastically over the course of the war, and the US policy of rotating experienced pilots back to the States to train new pilots meant that even a new US pilot had the training he needed to survive an engagement that was up-to-date and relevant.  </p>
<p>Both the Germans and the Japanese had this knowledge in their pilot base, but it never got back to the training centers in a meaningful way, because these experienced pilots were still flying sorties against the enemy, instead of sharing that invaluable information with new pilots back home.  </p>
<p>It was for this reason that the naval air arm of Japan was completely eviscerated by late 1944, in spite of having experienced similar attrition rates to US pilots by that time.  They launched a new aircraft carrier in 1944,the Shinano, with a full complement of planes, but not a pilot to fly them. It was a converted Yamato class battleship, up to that point in history the largest aircraft carrier to ever exist, but it was relegated to the role of &#8220;support carrier&#8221; because they had no pilots.</p>
<p>This is the main reason you see German and Japanese &#8220;ace&#8221; records with such massive kill numbers.  Their pilots weren&#8217;t better than ours, they just flew sorties for years on end until they died, taking all of that knowledge with them into the Pacific Ocean, or into fiery wreckage in the Bocage.  American aces were rotated back to the States to train new pilots way before they could rack up massive kill counts like that.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also the reason that the US was able to field competent pilots throughout the war, instead of seeing marked drop offs in pilot quality (and quantity) as the war dragged on, like most of the Axis forces saw.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 15:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, I should have mentioned that all those generous benefits to the pregnant teenager go away if she marries the baby-daddy. 

Subsidize illegitimate births &#8212; get many more fatherless babies. GMP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I should have mentioned that all those generous benefits to the pregnant teenager go away if she marries the baby-daddy. </p>
<p>Subsidize illegitimate births &mdash; get many more fatherless babies. GMP.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;A recurring theme my comments has been the idea that culture matters ...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed it does!  But we need to peel back another layer of the onion:  Where does culture come from?

Someone wrote a short book a number of years ago &#8212; &quot;GMP&quot;, the Greatest Management Principle.  It can be summarized in one sentence: That which gets rewarded gets done.

A lot of culture is human beings rationally responding to incentives.  

An old gentleman from Scotland told me about the high school in the small town in which he had lived his entire life.  All the time he had been in high school, one teenage girl got pregnant &#8212; and she disappeared from society.  Now the same high school has special classes for its bevy of pregnant teenagers.

What happened?  Well-intentioned policies to &quot;protect the children&quot; by keeping babies with their mothers have now made getting pregnant almost a career choice for teenage girls.  They get income, housing, cars, even foreign vacations &#8212; all paid for by the high taxes on those foolish teenage girls who don&#039;t get pregnant and instead go out and get jobs.

If we peel back a further layer on the onion, the issue may be that cause &amp; effect are too slow for the Political Class (and even the broad society) to realize the eventual negative consequences of their well-intentioned acts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:  <i>&#8220;A recurring theme my comments has been the idea that culture matters &#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Indeed it does!  But we need to peel back another layer of the onion:  Where does culture come from?</p>
<p>Someone wrote a short book a number of years ago &mdash; &#8220;GMP&#8221;, the Greatest Management Principle.  It can be summarized in one sentence: That which gets rewarded gets done.</p>
<p>A lot of culture is human beings rationally responding to incentives.  </p>
<p>An old gentleman from Scotland told me about the high school in the small town in which he had lived his entire life.  All the time he had been in high school, one teenage girl got pregnant &mdash; and she disappeared from society.  Now the same high school has special classes for its bevy of pregnant teenagers.</p>
<p>What happened?  Well-intentioned policies to &#8220;protect the children&#8221; by keeping babies with their mothers have now made getting pregnant almost a career choice for teenage girls.  They get income, housing, cars, even foreign vacations &mdash; all paid for by the high taxes on those foolish teenage girls who don&#8217;t get pregnant and instead go out and get jobs.</p>
<p>If we peel back a further layer on the onion, the issue may be that cause &amp; effect are too slow for the Political Class (and even the broad society) to realize the eventual negative consequences of their well-intentioned acts.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul,

The only problem with the rugged individualists being they are unable it seems to band together for the common interests or the common defense, even as all others band together to &#039;erase&#039; them as core political platform.  As we here know an individual is nothing but meat in strife. In fact they are unable to resist the ridiculous COVID diktats to GULAG from home, while the collectivists throw pagan burn, loot, murder Festivus in the streets. 

I suppose we can go back to the Lateran council to blame the concept of the individual being taken to the point of utter atomization.  The Lateran council [1215] is the start of the individual with individual confession; I wonder what the French Canadian holy swearers would make of Omnis utriusque sexus [all men and women {shall confess}]?

But the rugged individual is nothing in any struggle because he is alone, it&#039;s really from 20th century Westerns and is in truth  not just a fallacy but a trap.  Perfect for politicians. 

The only reason whites are the target in America is they are in the way of unlimited power and money, because they moronically believe in dead parchment, dead laws, dead God, worst dead rights.  The Constitution is gone because it stopped working for anybody - the constitution for those who wish to drive the superhighways of power is like driving through a residential area with a 15mph speed limit and speed bumps every 50 feet.  They want gone the speed limits, the speed bumps and above all the residents who justify and believe in same. 

Call our Constitutions Chesterton&#039;s speed bumps.
We know what happens to Chesterton&#039;s ____ anything. 

Has he been cancelled yet? Or is he too much for them to digest?  

Chesterton&#039;s Cancellations...hmmm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>The only problem with the rugged individualists being they are unable it seems to band together for the common interests or the common defense, even as all others band together to &#8216;erase&#8217; them as core political platform.  As we here know an individual is nothing but meat in strife. In fact they are unable to resist the ridiculous COVID diktats to GULAG from home, while the collectivists throw pagan burn, loot, murder Festivus in the streets. </p>
<p>I suppose we can go back to the Lateran council to blame the concept of the individual being taken to the point of utter atomization.  The Lateran council [1215] is the start of the individual with individual confession; I wonder what the French Canadian holy swearers would make of Omnis utriusque sexus [all men and women {shall confess}]?</p>
<p>But the rugged individual is nothing in any struggle because he is alone, it&#8217;s really from 20th century Westerns and is in truth  not just a fallacy but a trap.  Perfect for politicians. </p>
<p>The only reason whites are the target in America is they are in the way of unlimited power and money, because they moronically believe in dead parchment, dead laws, dead God, worst dead rights.  The Constitution is gone because it stopped working for anybody &#8211; the constitution for those who wish to drive the superhighways of power is like driving through a residential area with a 15mph speed limit and speed bumps every 50 feet.  They want gone the speed limits, the speed bumps and above all the residents who justify and believe in same. </p>
<p>Call our Constitutions Chesterton&#8217;s speed bumps.<br />
We know what happens to Chesterton&#8217;s ____ anything. </p>
<p>Has he been cancelled yet? Or is he too much for them to digest?  </p>
<p>Chesterton&#8217;s Cancellations&#8230;hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 08:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul,

I don&#039;t like the entire concept of &quot;race&quot;, in that it&#039;s not a reliable way to stereotype strangers you might meet. In other words, it&#039;s not a useful tool, and it doesn&#039;t necessarily work the way people think it does.

What I look at is behavioral, more than anything else. Some of those traits are consistently heritable enough that you can make broad generalizations about them--Look at Detroit when it was filled with &quot;Polacks&quot; and &quot;Bohunks&quot; compared to today, when it is filled with blacks and white trash. On the one hand, nice, neat little cottages filled with productive, hard-working families looking to better themselves... On the other, the wasteland that is modern Detroit.

That didn&#039;t happen because of &quot;structural racism&quot;, no matter what the activists tell you. It happened because of the people who live there, and the choices they made as a group. Observing that fact and acting on it is not racism; it is pure empiric observational pragmatism: Stay the hell out of Detroit, and avoid those people at all costs.

Haiti isn&#039;t what it is due to Haitians being black; it is what it is because Haitians are Haitian. Again, that&#039;s not racism, that&#039;s observed fact. If Haiti had its population magically swapped with Finland, we&#039;d have an arctic nightmare in short order, with a tropical paradise created from the hellhole that was Haiti in similarly short time. Swap the skin colors along the way, and you&#039;d have a salutary lesson in why it&#039;s a mistake to go by externalities instead of demonstrated behavior.

I don&#039;t care one damn bit for the ideas behind racism, but I do think that there are actual reasons we have that set of reflexes wired into our genome. Overcoming them requires hard work, but its work that has to be done while acknowledging that some of the factors that lay behind it all actually do exist, albeit widely misunderstood and misconstrued.

I try to go by demonstrated behavior. Watch their hands, in other words... The man who talks incessantly about the good he intends to do me, while moving towards his weapons? I don&#039;t trust him as far as I can throw him, and for good reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the entire concept of &#8220;race&#8221;, in that it&#8217;s not a reliable way to stereotype strangers you might meet. In other words, it&#8217;s not a useful tool, and it doesn&#8217;t necessarily work the way people think it does.</p>
<p>What I look at is behavioral, more than anything else. Some of those traits are consistently heritable enough that you can make broad generalizations about them&#8211;Look at Detroit when it was filled with &#8220;Polacks&#8221; and &#8220;Bohunks&#8221; compared to today, when it is filled with blacks and white trash. On the one hand, nice, neat little cottages filled with productive, hard-working families looking to better themselves&#8230; On the other, the wasteland that is modern Detroit.</p>
<p>That didn&#8217;t happen because of &#8220;structural racism&#8221;, no matter what the activists tell you. It happened because of the people who live there, and the choices they made as a group. Observing that fact and acting on it is not racism; it is pure empiric observational pragmatism: Stay the hell out of Detroit, and avoid those people at all costs.</p>
<p>Haiti isn&#8217;t what it is due to Haitians being black; it is what it is because Haitians are Haitian. Again, that&#8217;s not racism, that&#8217;s observed fact. If Haiti had its population magically swapped with Finland, we&#8217;d have an arctic nightmare in short order, with a tropical paradise created from the hellhole that was Haiti in similarly short time. Swap the skin colors along the way, and you&#8217;d have a salutary lesson in why it&#8217;s a mistake to go by externalities instead of demonstrated behavior.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care one damn bit for the ideas behind racism, but I do think that there are actual reasons we have that set of reflexes wired into our genome. Overcoming them requires hard work, but its work that has to be done while acknowledging that some of the factors that lay behind it all actually do exist, albeit widely misunderstood and misconstrued.</p>
<p>I try to go by demonstrated behavior. Watch their hands, in other words&#8230; The man who talks incessantly about the good he intends to do me, while moving towards his weapons? I don&#8217;t trust him as far as I can throw him, and for good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 06:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should mention with all of this discussion of Haiti, that the commander of my Basic Officer Training Platoon when I did my BOTC to become an Officer in the Canadian Armed Forces in 1990, was a Haitian. 

His name was Captain Grondin.  He was an artillery officer, skinny, and all of five foot nothing in height, but no nonsense, and hard as steel!

I don&#039;t know his personal history, other than at some point his family, likely his parents, managed to get into Quebec, and he joined the Canadian Forces.  He was most proud to point out that one of the most senior officers in the Canadian Expeditionary Force sent to the First World War, was in the Artillery Branch &#039;&quot;E&#039; was a Gunner! Hostie!&quot;.  

(French Canadian profanity is all religious, whereas Anglo-Saxon swearing is usually sexual or scatological in nature, i.e. s**t, c**t, f**k etc. whereas French Canadian profanity was sacrilegious , Hostie, referring to the host, Chalice, [pronounced Khaleese!] referring to to Holy Chalice).

On my course, they introduced a new concept where about two thirds of the way way through, there was a re-organization, and a change of emphasis from &quot;basic training&quot; to a more academic program.  If you made it to that phase, you were pretty much certain to make it through the course.  At this point we had, essentially &quot;made it&quot; and we went into town to celebrate, and invited our instructor cadre.

We ended up at a Karaoke bar, where we proceeded to get Captain Grondin extremely drunk on brandy, singing along to horribly un-tuneful karaoke.  Long after midnight, we dropped him off, swaying drunkenly in front of his door at the married quarters, secure in the expectation that we would enjoy a well deserved sleep-in the next morning.

More fool us! at 0600, a fresh, alarmingly un-hungover and un-nervingly sober Captain Grondin, kicked in our door and led us, all hungover and puking, on  a several mile morning run!

Captain Grondin was a better man, and a better officer than I could ever hope to be.  If I had badged as a gunner, I would have considered it a privilege to serve under him.

The point is that he was at least half &quot;black&quot;, and from Haiti, and as an individual, it mattered not in the slightest.  I pride myself in being a small &quot;l&quot; libertarian, where I try to judge people on their merits, not on any superficial characteristic like skin colour or ethnic origin.  

Doubly so since I was born in South Africa. 

When I was a child, there was a thing called the Race Classifications Board.  In those days it was actually illegal to have inter-racial sex, let alone contract an inter-racial marriage. Yet some people still fell in love anyway, and one way around the color bar, was to get one of the parties concerned re-classified.

There was a South African comedian, Peter-Dirk Uys, who used to use their statistics in his show, about how many coloreds became white, how many blacks became colored and so on.

The so-called &quot;board&quot; consisted of several eminent professors of &quot;racial science&quot; in ill-fitting suits, homburg hats and pencil mustaches, wielding textbooks written in the 1930&#039;s in Nazi Germany.  Armed with hair swatches, calipers to measure your chin to nose width ratio, and a case of glass eyes and so on, they could authoritatively determine which race you belonged to.

Ever since discovering that this obscenity existed, I became a rugged individualist.

A recurring theme my comments has been the idea that culture matters,  That race is often a substitute for culture or class. I have mentioned before, I think, Theodore Dalrymple, the pen name of a British doctor, prison psychologist, and social commentator.  One of his more provocative points in one of his books, was to describe a group of people, and to get his audience to try to identify them.    

He described a social group, living in social housing in an urban area.  Families were multi-generational matriarchies.  Grandmother, Mother, Daughter, all raising multiple children from multiple fathers, all without paternal support, all subsisting on welfare.

The men spent their time engaged in welfare fraud or drug dealing, with a macho &quot;dis&quot; culture resulting in lots of violence, and an emphasis on lots of &quot;bling&quot;, the right running shoes and clothing, and superficial status symbols like skinny tires and spinning rims on otherwise cheap-ass cars.

Now most people would immediately recognize that as the typical dysfunction of the black urban ghetto in a place like Baltimore, Detroit, East LA, South Chicago and so on.

In fact, the place he was describing was Glasgow.  A place populated by the whitest people outside of Scandinavia.  People so white they got sunburn if they stayed under fluorescent light too long.

In other words, it is culture, not race, and any race can, after several generations locked in a particular situation, find themselves trapped in a cultural dead end.

Likewise this whole &quot;white privilege&quot; bullsh*t.  I grew up in real &quot;white privilege&quot;, and being on time, speaking and writing in proper grammar, is not it.  

Malia Obama is the daughter of a former president, rich, and if no longer powerful, certainly influential.  She has good genetics on her side, both her parents are obstentively intelligent, alumni of ivy league schools, and she will get to attend whichever of those she chooses.

Contrast that with a white kid I will call Jethro, born in a family in the Appalachians, or backwoods Pennsylvania coal country.  He has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, comes form a multi-generational welfare dependent, meth addicted single mother family, with some suspected inbreeding to boot.

So what &quot;white privilege&quot; does he have, and why should Malia Obama get preferential treatment for college admission? 

I don&#039;t recall where I saw this, but someone commented somewhere that if you took the populations of Switzerland and Somalia and Star-Trek like swapped them around, then in short order, Somalia would become a dryer, dustier Switzerland and Switzerland would become Somalia.

Sorry for the digression, but I wanted to make the point that it is culture, not race that accounts for this sort of stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should mention with all of this discussion of Haiti, that the commander of my Basic Officer Training Platoon when I did my BOTC to become an Officer in the Canadian Armed Forces in 1990, was a Haitian. </p>
<p>His name was Captain Grondin.  He was an artillery officer, skinny, and all of five foot nothing in height, but no nonsense, and hard as steel!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know his personal history, other than at some point his family, likely his parents, managed to get into Quebec, and he joined the Canadian Forces.  He was most proud to point out that one of the most senior officers in the Canadian Expeditionary Force sent to the First World War, was in the Artillery Branch &#8216;&#8221;E&#8217; was a Gunner! Hostie!&#8221;.  </p>
<p>(French Canadian profanity is all religious, whereas Anglo-Saxon swearing is usually sexual or scatological in nature, i.e. s**t, c**t, f**k etc. whereas French Canadian profanity was sacrilegious , Hostie, referring to the host, Chalice, [pronounced Khaleese!] referring to to Holy Chalice).</p>
<p>On my course, they introduced a new concept where about two thirds of the way way through, there was a re-organization, and a change of emphasis from &#8220;basic training&#8221; to a more academic program.  If you made it to that phase, you were pretty much certain to make it through the course.  At this point we had, essentially &#8220;made it&#8221; and we went into town to celebrate, and invited our instructor cadre.</p>
<p>We ended up at a Karaoke bar, where we proceeded to get Captain Grondin extremely drunk on brandy, singing along to horribly un-tuneful karaoke.  Long after midnight, we dropped him off, swaying drunkenly in front of his door at the married quarters, secure in the expectation that we would enjoy a well deserved sleep-in the next morning.</p>
<p>More fool us! at 0600, a fresh, alarmingly un-hungover and un-nervingly sober Captain Grondin, kicked in our door and led us, all hungover and puking, on  a several mile morning run!</p>
<p>Captain Grondin was a better man, and a better officer than I could ever hope to be.  If I had badged as a gunner, I would have considered it a privilege to serve under him.</p>
<p>The point is that he was at least half &#8220;black&#8221;, and from Haiti, and as an individual, it mattered not in the slightest.  I pride myself in being a small &#8220;l&#8221; libertarian, where I try to judge people on their merits, not on any superficial characteristic like skin colour or ethnic origin.  </p>
<p>Doubly so since I was born in South Africa. </p>
<p>When I was a child, there was a thing called the Race Classifications Board.  In those days it was actually illegal to have inter-racial sex, let alone contract an inter-racial marriage. Yet some people still fell in love anyway, and one way around the color bar, was to get one of the parties concerned re-classified.</p>
<p>There was a South African comedian, Peter-Dirk Uys, who used to use their statistics in his show, about how many coloreds became white, how many blacks became colored and so on.</p>
<p>The so-called &#8220;board&#8221; consisted of several eminent professors of &#8220;racial science&#8221; in ill-fitting suits, homburg hats and pencil mustaches, wielding textbooks written in the 1930&#8242;s in Nazi Germany.  Armed with hair swatches, calipers to measure your chin to nose width ratio, and a case of glass eyes and so on, they could authoritatively determine which race you belonged to.</p>
<p>Ever since discovering that this obscenity existed, I became a rugged individualist.</p>
<p>A recurring theme my comments has been the idea that culture matters,  That race is often a substitute for culture or class. I have mentioned before, I think, Theodore Dalrymple, the pen name of a British doctor, prison psychologist, and social commentator.  One of his more provocative points in one of his books, was to describe a group of people, and to get his audience to try to identify them.    </p>
<p>He described a social group, living in social housing in an urban area.  Families were multi-generational matriarchies.  Grandmother, Mother, Daughter, all raising multiple children from multiple fathers, all without paternal support, all subsisting on welfare.</p>
<p>The men spent their time engaged in welfare fraud or drug dealing, with a macho &#8220;dis&#8221; culture resulting in lots of violence, and an emphasis on lots of &#8220;bling&#8221;, the right running shoes and clothing, and superficial status symbols like skinny tires and spinning rims on otherwise cheap-ass cars.</p>
<p>Now most people would immediately recognize that as the typical dysfunction of the black urban ghetto in a place like Baltimore, Detroit, East LA, South Chicago and so on.</p>
<p>In fact, the place he was describing was Glasgow.  A place populated by the whitest people outside of Scandinavia.  People so white they got sunburn if they stayed under fluorescent light too long.</p>
<p>In other words, it is culture, not race, and any race can, after several generations locked in a particular situation, find themselves trapped in a cultural dead end.</p>
<p>Likewise this whole &#8220;white privilege&#8221; bullsh*t.  I grew up in real &#8220;white privilege&#8221;, and being on time, speaking and writing in proper grammar, is not it.  </p>
<p>Malia Obama is the daughter of a former president, rich, and if no longer powerful, certainly influential.  She has good genetics on her side, both her parents are obstentively intelligent, alumni of ivy league schools, and she will get to attend whichever of those she chooses.</p>
<p>Contrast that with a white kid I will call Jethro, born in a family in the Appalachians, or backwoods Pennsylvania coal country.  He has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, comes form a multi-generational welfare dependent, meth addicted single mother family, with some suspected inbreeding to boot.</p>
<p>So what &#8220;white privilege&#8221; does he have, and why should Malia Obama get preferential treatment for college admission? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall where I saw this, but someone commented somewhere that if you took the populations of Switzerland and Somalia and Star-Trek like swapped them around, then in short order, Somalia would become a dryer, dustier Switzerland and Switzerland would become Somalia.</p>
<p>Sorry for the digression, but I wanted to make the point that it is culture, not race that accounts for this sort of stuff.</p>
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