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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3373202</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2021 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ain&#039;t mine, neither...

So, whose people &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ain&#8217;t mine, neither&#8230;</p>
<p>So, whose people <i>are</i> they?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3372743</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;’Wow, he’s really, really drunk… He shouldn’t be driving…,’ and then not doing a damn thing to stop him until he drives your stupid ass off a cliff. At that point, you’re effectively at one with the drunk&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Good point and something to ask yourself because it&#039;s not my people driving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;’Wow, he’s really, really drunk… He shouldn’t be driving…,’ and then not doing a damn thing to stop him until he drives your stupid ass off a cliff. At that point, you’re effectively at one with the drunk&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Good point and something to ask yourself because it&#8217;s not my people driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam J.,

If this majority that &quot;don&#039;t believe a word of the bullshit&quot; don&#039;t ever actually &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; anyting about that, then what good is it? It&#039;s like getting in a car with a drunk driver, watching him drive, and saying to yourself &quot;Wow, he&#039;s really, really drunk... He shouldn&#039;t be driving...&quot;, and then not doing a damn thing to stop him until he drives your stupid ass off a cliff. At that point, you&#039;re effectively at one with the drunk, so what&#039;s the point of saying anything, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam J.,</p>
<p>If this majority that &#8220;don&#8217;t believe a word of the bullshit&#8221; don&#8217;t ever actually <i>do</i> anyting about that, then what good is it? It&#8217;s like getting in a car with a drunk driver, watching him drive, and saying to yourself &#8220;Wow, he&#8217;s really, really drunk&#8230; He shouldn&#8217;t be driving&#8230;&#8221;, and then not doing a damn thing to stop him until he drives your stupid ass off a cliff. At that point, you&#8217;re effectively at one with the drunk, so what&#8217;s the point of saying anything, right?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3372525</link>
		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually &lt;em&gt;knitting&lt;/em&gt; up their awards works better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually <em>knitting</em> up their awards works better.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3372524</link>
		<dc:creator>VXXC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk: &lt;em&gt;&quot;I’ve actually seen some of these types mentally freak out and go nearly catatonic upon the realization they were dealing with troops that had live ammo and weapons.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Continuing our one-fuckups-manship, I CAN beat that.

The W.VA NG unit we relieved on ECP duty in 06 had turned their weapons in, they just had the crew served that came with the ECP [Checkpoint folks].  Yes this ECP was &#039;customer facing&#039;.  In Iraq, 2006, hostile village outside the gate.  Yes attacks were a sporadic constant, daily really.  In a lazy way. 

Of course when your leadership are (1) women and (2) not present, it&#039;s not their problem. 

That&#039;s real women in combat folks.  They aren&#039;t facing the enemy, they&#039;re at a position of safety sitting with the other girrls writing up their awards.  

I don&#039;t even care about the rare ones who can cut it, or even the ones missing limbs; because they were silent when we were all being accused of being &quot;a culture of rapists,&quot; so I don&#039;t mind if I broad brush them all as cowards and frauds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk: <em>&#8220;I’ve actually seen some of these types mentally freak out and go nearly catatonic upon the realization they were dealing with troops that had live ammo and weapons.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Continuing our one-fuckups-manship, I CAN beat that.</p>
<p>The W.VA NG unit we relieved on ECP duty in 06 had turned their weapons in, they just had the crew served that came with the ECP [Checkpoint folks].  Yes this ECP was &#8216;customer facing&#8217;.  In Iraq, 2006, hostile village outside the gate.  Yes attacks were a sporadic constant, daily really.  In a lazy way. </p>
<p>Of course when your leadership are (1) women and (2) not present, it&#8217;s not their problem. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s real women in combat folks.  They aren&#8217;t facing the enemy, they&#8217;re at a position of safety sitting with the other girrls writing up their awards.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even care about the rare ones who can cut it, or even the ones missing limbs; because they were silent when we were all being accused of being &#8220;a culture of rapists,&#8221; so I don&#8217;t mind if I broad brush them all as cowards and frauds.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3372450</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 21:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk: &lt;em&gt;“You can’t recruit people with sense from a population which has abandoned reality.”&lt;/em&gt;

This is all gas-lighting. It&#039;s not that people don&#039;t have sense it&#039;s that they have attacked people so viciously that they keep their mouths shut or they bleat platitudes acceptable to their owners. But they don&#039;t believe a word of this bullshit. The MAJORITY do not believe the bullshit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk: <em>“You can’t recruit people with sense from a population which has abandoned reality.”</em></p>
<p>This is all gas-lighting. It&#8217;s not that people don&#8217;t have sense it&#8217;s that they have attacked people so viciously that they keep their mouths shut or they bleat platitudes acceptable to their owners. But they don&#8217;t believe a word of this bullshit. The MAJORITY do not believe the bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff Bezos made the same point about spending summers on his grandfather’s ranch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Bezos made the same point about spending summers on his grandfather’s ranch.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3372311</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;You can’t recruit people with sense from a population which has abandoned reality.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This brought back a memory which might seem apparently unrelated -- but is probably a demonstration of that very point.

Some years ago on a long plane flight, I happened to find myself sitting next to a Canadian lady who turned out to be a scientist returning from a NATO (yes, NATO) conference on atmospheric physics.

She talked about the difficulty of finding competent graduate students to assist with research.  The best experimentalists in her view were farm boys.  

She ascribed the superior performance of farm boys to an upbringing in which they were used to looking at something complicated (like a combine harvester) which was not working, figuring out how it was intended to work, and then making it work again with the resources they had on hand -- rather than waiting for several days for the manufacturer&#039;s representative to get to the farm.

Oh well!  Reality always wins in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk:  <i>&#8220;You can’t recruit people with sense from a population which has abandoned reality.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This brought back a memory which might seem apparently unrelated &#8212; but is probably a demonstration of that very point.</p>
<p>Some years ago on a long plane flight, I happened to find myself sitting next to a Canadian lady who turned out to be a scientist returning from a NATO (yes, NATO) conference on atmospheric physics.</p>
<p>She talked about the difficulty of finding competent graduate students to assist with research.  The best experimentalists in her view were farm boys.  </p>
<p>She ascribed the superior performance of farm boys to an upbringing in which they were used to looking at something complicated (like a combine harvester) which was not working, figuring out how it was intended to work, and then making it work again with the resources they had on hand &#8212; rather than waiting for several days for the manufacturer&#8217;s representative to get to the farm.</p>
<p>Oh well!  Reality always wins in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/03/put-everybody-under-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-3372306</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kabuki theater is right, although I think it may be more along the lines of No.

It&#039;s all about the forms, not the reality; smoke, not the fire.

The theory goes along the lines of what I&#039;ve always termed &quot;voodoo engineering&quot;; you do what you do not because you understand how it works, but because someone told you that&#039;s how you do it. Form; not substance.

The problem we have in the military isn&#039;t so much that the military is fuxxored beyond recognition, but that the society which it draws upon is. You can&#039;t recruit people with sense from a population which has abandoned reality.

You see it all over the place--Pragmatism and objective evaluation loses every time to wishful thinking and the &lt;i&gt;diktat&lt;/i&gt; of ideology. The Marines ran careful tests to see what the effects were of adding women to combat arms; the results of those tests were simultaneously ignored, misinterpreted, and set aside. You look at them, and you think &quot;WTF? How could they not see the issues...?&quot;, but they don&#039;t.

You could run the military with a little common sense and make allowances for having women integrated. Yet, they won&#039;t do that, because ideology trumps all. Objective reality and the results of same? Something we studiously look aside from and ignore.

If the people we have running things were actually sane and observant of the reality around them, none of the things they&#039;re doing would be done. Unfortunately, they&#039;re living in their own worlds of delusion and wishful thinking, so here we are.

It&#039;s gonna be an ugly awakening, when it comes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kabuki theater is right, although I think it may be more along the lines of No.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about the forms, not the reality; smoke, not the fire.</p>
<p>The theory goes along the lines of what I&#8217;ve always termed &#8220;voodoo engineering&#8221;; you do what you do not because you understand how it works, but because someone told you that&#8217;s how you do it. Form; not substance.</p>
<p>The problem we have in the military isn&#8217;t so much that the military is fuxxored beyond recognition, but that the society which it draws upon is. You can&#8217;t recruit people with sense from a population which has abandoned reality.</p>
<p>You see it all over the place&#8211;Pragmatism and objective evaluation loses every time to wishful thinking and the <i>diktat</i> of ideology. The Marines ran careful tests to see what the effects were of adding women to combat arms; the results of those tests were simultaneously ignored, misinterpreted, and set aside. You look at them, and you think &#8220;WTF? How could they not see the issues&#8230;?&#8221;, but they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You could run the military with a little common sense and make allowances for having women integrated. Yet, they won&#8217;t do that, because ideology trumps all. Objective reality and the results of same? Something we studiously look aside from and ignore.</p>
<p>If the people we have running things were actually sane and observant of the reality around them, none of the things they&#8217;re doing would be done. Unfortunately, they&#8217;re living in their own worlds of delusion and wishful thinking, so here we are.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gonna be an ugly awakening, when it comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has been said that the gate guards at the Beirut barracks at the time of the deadly 1983 truck bombings were not able to stop the suicide bombers because they had rifles but no ammunition.

Of course, when Major Hasan went postal at Fort Bliss in 2009, it looked like he was one of very few armed soldiers on the base.

How many of the 25,000 National Guardsmen activated to the Swamp to ensure Biden&#039;s swearing-in were actually issued ammunition?  Seems like there is a long tradition of Kabuki Theater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been said that the gate guards at the Beirut barracks at the time of the deadly 1983 truck bombings were not able to stop the suicide bombers because they had rifles but no ammunition.</p>
<p>Of course, when Major Hasan went postal at Fort Bliss in 2009, it looked like he was one of very few armed soldiers on the base.</p>
<p>How many of the 25,000 National Guardsmen activated to the Swamp to ensure Biden&#8217;s swearing-in were actually issued ammunition?  Seems like there is a long tradition of Kabuki Theater.</p>
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