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	<title>Comments on: He wanted positions that would stand under enemy artillery</title>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2021 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no learning organization, because too much organization prevents learning.

There are learning populations, where the stupid cull themselves by natural selection. These populations are not very organized, but somehow they get by.

There are learning individuals, who jettison any ideas from their heads that don&#039;t work. These people organize their lives and their thoughts strictly on an ad hoc and provisional basis.

From the outside, every learning process looks like chaos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no learning organization, because too much organization prevents learning.</p>
<p>There are learning populations, where the stupid cull themselves by natural selection. These populations are not very organized, but somehow they get by.</p>
<p>There are learning individuals, who jettison any ideas from their heads that don&#8217;t work. These people organize their lives and their thoughts strictly on an ad hoc and provisional basis.</p>
<p>From the outside, every learning process looks like chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2021 16:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like anything in life, there is no substitute for hard work. In warfare, however, the penalties for not working hard and preparing are a bit harsher, and imposed much more quickly.

The Roman legions knew this. It&#039;s not rocket science, but apparently every single generation has to re-learn it in the US Army, which seems addicted to the same syndrome that befell Varus in the forests of Teutoberg.

You can actually witness this happening in real time. Once upon a time, I was a young soldier in a unit with a bunch of Vietnam veterans in it. Those guys were some of the most paranoid people I&#039;ve ever met, but I spent a lot of time watching and listening to them. One of the key things I noted about them was the way they set up perimeters and &quot;wired us in&quot; with the defenses. No matter what, the gate or access point always, always included a backup position with our heaviest bit of firepower, the 90mm recoilless set up and in overwatch. There was also never a straight shot into the perimeter--You had to make a dogleg, and the the 90mm covered it. Should you decide to try to run the gate with something, or do anything at all that the guys on the gate didn&#039;t like, the 90mm was going to wreck your day. Had we gone to war with those guys running things, the 90mm would have been locked and loaded with HEAT and whatever backup flechette rounds they could scrounge out of the system.

Imagine my surprise at reading the After-Action Review from Beirut, wherein the Marines on gate guard weren&#039;t even allowed to have loaded weapons on duty in what was, at the time, damn near the world capital for truck bombing.

There are moments when I really have to wonder just how much of the Marine reputation is really justified, and that was one of the first. At the time, the unit I was in was a third-tier corps-support Engineer battalion, and we were running a more survivable defensive posture in peacetime training than the Marines were in an active overseas combat zone, known for the use of truck bombs.

All I can say is, WTF?

Same thing is going on today, too--The Army has totally ignored the actual lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan, in that the only way a commander is going to get visibility on the battlefield is if he fights for it--Which led to the formation of ad-hoc Personal Security Detachments enabling that being formed out of the hides of just about every organization that needed them.

And, yet... Did we look at that and then go &quot;Gee, we&#039;re probably gonna have to do this again... Maybe we ought to make these ad-hoc solutions a permanent part of the MTOE...?&quot;.

I&#039;ll save you the time of looking it up: No, we did not. Next time &#039;round, the same ad-hoc BS is going to have to be done, only with even less &quot;meat&quot; out in the various line components to scrape the PSD elements up out of. Instead of having dedicated elements that are a permanent part of the units, what we&#039;re going to have are little clots of men gathered up from everywhere in a unit, thrown together with borrowed gear, and then expected to keep the commanders alive on a very lethal modern battlefield.

I&#039;m here to tell you that if anyone ever refers to the US Army or any other US military organization as &quot;Learning Organization&quot;, you need to slap the shit out of that person, and can safely ignore anything else that delusional dumbass has to say. Actually, you&#039;d probably better pay attention to it--And, then do the diametric opposite of whatever they&#039;re recommending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like anything in life, there is no substitute for hard work. In warfare, however, the penalties for not working hard and preparing are a bit harsher, and imposed much more quickly.</p>
<p>The Roman legions knew this. It&#8217;s not rocket science, but apparently every single generation has to re-learn it in the US Army, which seems addicted to the same syndrome that befell Varus in the forests of Teutoberg.</p>
<p>You can actually witness this happening in real time. Once upon a time, I was a young soldier in a unit with a bunch of Vietnam veterans in it. Those guys were some of the most paranoid people I&#8217;ve ever met, but I spent a lot of time watching and listening to them. One of the key things I noted about them was the way they set up perimeters and &#8220;wired us in&#8221; with the defenses. No matter what, the gate or access point always, always included a backup position with our heaviest bit of firepower, the 90mm recoilless set up and in overwatch. There was also never a straight shot into the perimeter&#8211;You had to make a dogleg, and the the 90mm covered it. Should you decide to try to run the gate with something, or do anything at all that the guys on the gate didn&#8217;t like, the 90mm was going to wreck your day. Had we gone to war with those guys running things, the 90mm would have been locked and loaded with HEAT and whatever backup flechette rounds they could scrounge out of the system.</p>
<p>Imagine my surprise at reading the After-Action Review from Beirut, wherein the Marines on gate guard weren&#8217;t even allowed to have loaded weapons on duty in what was, at the time, damn near the world capital for truck bombing.</p>
<p>There are moments when I really have to wonder just how much of the Marine reputation is really justified, and that was one of the first. At the time, the unit I was in was a third-tier corps-support Engineer battalion, and we were running a more survivable defensive posture in peacetime training than the Marines were in an active overseas combat zone, known for the use of truck bombs.</p>
<p>All I can say is, WTF?</p>
<p>Same thing is going on today, too&#8211;The Army has totally ignored the actual lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan, in that the only way a commander is going to get visibility on the battlefield is if he fights for it&#8211;Which led to the formation of ad-hoc Personal Security Detachments enabling that being formed out of the hides of just about every organization that needed them.</p>
<p>And, yet&#8230; Did we look at that and then go &#8220;Gee, we&#8217;re probably gonna have to do this again&#8230; Maybe we ought to make these ad-hoc solutions a permanent part of the MTOE&#8230;?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll save you the time of looking it up: No, we did not. Next time &#8217;round, the same ad-hoc BS is going to have to be done, only with even less &#8220;meat&#8221; out in the various line components to scrape the PSD elements up out of. Instead of having dedicated elements that are a permanent part of the units, what we&#8217;re going to have are little clots of men gathered up from everywhere in a unit, thrown together with borrowed gear, and then expected to keep the commanders alive on a very lethal modern battlefield.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m here to tell you that if anyone ever refers to the US Army or any other US military organization as &#8220;Learning Organization&#8221;, you need to slap the shit out of that person, and can safely ignore anything else that delusional dumbass has to say. Actually, you&#8217;d probably better pay attention to it&#8211;And, then do the diametric opposite of whatever they&#8217;re recommending.</p>
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