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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/01/there-are-no-libertarians-in-a-pandemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3347021</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 17:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gavin,

The COVID situation was political from start to finish; the Chinese leveraged their contacts and agents within the US government to erase Trump from American politics, and the disease was the tool.

Fauci went against declared US government policy to finance what is termed &quot;gain of function&quot; research at the Wuhan facility. That was either released on purpose, or it got out due to the usual crappy Chinese attention to detail and care. Could also be due to the employees selling infected test animals, or sloppy work resulting in infected employees. Either way, the Chinese and their purchased agents within the US government leveraged the opportunity they created, and here we are.

Looking at it objectively, from the outside? The response was always completely political. The CDC didn&#039;t believe it was a big deal, as evidenced in how they responded with untrained personnel to deal with that Japanese cruise ship situation, didn&#039;t deploy with necessary contamination gear, and then brought back the exposed while refusing to test any asymptomatic people for the disease. They also shut down that doctor in Seattle who was doing mass screenings, which would likely have shown that whatever the hell was going on, we had COVID here in the US long before January 2020.

The whole thing was political from start to finish, and you could tell from the way they handled it. None of the CDC functionaries took this seriously, and there was no real sense of urgency to their actions. We only have a vaccine because Trump pushed through changes to the usual vaccine approval process--Normally, they&#039;d still be in testing. Remains to be seen whether or not this was a good idea, but we&#039;ll see.

My money is on this whole deal being an opportunistic political deal from start to finish. The flu epidemic of 2009 is going to turn out to have killed more people, by the end of this all. I&#039;d lay money on that... And, because it wasn&#039;t highlighted and spun up in the news, nobody will ever know.

Face the facts... The Republic is lost, and has been since the seventies. The bureaucrats and unelected staff run the show, while the congressional scum make money selling off America to its enemies. Biden just reopened the US power grid to Chinese companies again, and gee, won&#039;t that work out wonderfully?

To put it in technical terms, we are fucked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin,</p>
<p>The COVID situation was political from start to finish; the Chinese leveraged their contacts and agents within the US government to erase Trump from American politics, and the disease was the tool.</p>
<p>Fauci went against declared US government policy to finance what is termed &#8220;gain of function&#8221; research at the Wuhan facility. That was either released on purpose, or it got out due to the usual crappy Chinese attention to detail and care. Could also be due to the employees selling infected test animals, or sloppy work resulting in infected employees. Either way, the Chinese and their purchased agents within the US government leveraged the opportunity they created, and here we are.</p>
<p>Looking at it objectively, from the outside? The response was always completely political. The CDC didn&#8217;t believe it was a big deal, as evidenced in how they responded with untrained personnel to deal with that Japanese cruise ship situation, didn&#8217;t deploy with necessary contamination gear, and then brought back the exposed while refusing to test any asymptomatic people for the disease. They also shut down that doctor in Seattle who was doing mass screenings, which would likely have shown that whatever the hell was going on, we had COVID here in the US long before January 2020.</p>
<p>The whole thing was political from start to finish, and you could tell from the way they handled it. None of the CDC functionaries took this seriously, and there was no real sense of urgency to their actions. We only have a vaccine because Trump pushed through changes to the usual vaccine approval process&#8211;Normally, they&#8217;d still be in testing. Remains to be seen whether or not this was a good idea, but we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>My money is on this whole deal being an opportunistic political deal from start to finish. The flu epidemic of 2009 is going to turn out to have killed more people, by the end of this all. I&#8217;d lay money on that&#8230; And, because it wasn&#8217;t highlighted and spun up in the news, nobody will ever know.</p>
<p>Face the facts&#8230; The Republic is lost, and has been since the seventies. The bureaucrats and unelected staff run the show, while the congressional scum make money selling off America to its enemies. Biden just reopened the US power grid to Chinese companies again, and gee, won&#8217;t that work out wonderfully?</p>
<p>To put it in technical terms, we are fucked.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Longmuir</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/01/there-are-no-libertarians-in-a-pandemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3346999</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Longmuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;... the unprecedented scope of COVID justifies a lot of government activity that libertarians would find unreasonable in other circumstances.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Most libertarians are educated enough to realize there is nothing &quot;unprecedented&quot; about a virus with health consequences similar to a bad flu year -- the kind of thing humans have lived with for centuries without locking down their societies.

What we have been exposed to is not a &quot;pandemic&quot;;  is is a CASEDEMIC, in which healthy people are counted as &quot;cases&quot; when an unreliable test with a high percentage of False Positives designates them as infected .. or maybe having been infected and now recovered.

Any libertarian worthy of the name has to base his assessments on the iron tests of evidence &amp; the scientific method -- and has to be prepared to adjust his assessment in the light of additional information.  

The initial panicked response from politicians &amp; bureaucrats was understandable at the beginning, when all we had was videos of well-dressed working age Chinese males collapsing on the streets.  (A kind of event that that has never been seen again, neither in China nor anywhere else in the world.  &lt;i&gt;Ever wonder why?&lt;/i&gt;)

The damage done by the Political Class&#039;s continued imposition of Lock Downs has far exceeded the harm done by the virus.  Only in China is the economy booming and life is fairly close to normal.  &lt;i&gt;Ever wonder why?&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230; the unprecedented scope of COVID justifies a lot of government activity that libertarians would find unreasonable in other circumstances.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Most libertarians are educated enough to realize there is nothing &#8220;unprecedented&#8221; about a virus with health consequences similar to a bad flu year &#8212; the kind of thing humans have lived with for centuries without locking down their societies.</p>
<p>What we have been exposed to is not a &#8220;pandemic&#8221;;  is is a CASEDEMIC, in which healthy people are counted as &#8220;cases&#8221; when an unreliable test with a high percentage of False Positives designates them as infected .. or maybe having been infected and now recovered.</p>
<p>Any libertarian worthy of the name has to base his assessments on the iron tests of evidence &amp; the scientific method &#8212; and has to be prepared to adjust his assessment in the light of additional information.  </p>
<p>The initial panicked response from politicians &amp; bureaucrats was understandable at the beginning, when all we had was videos of well-dressed working age Chinese males collapsing on the streets.  (A kind of event that that has never been seen again, neither in China nor anywhere else in the world.  <i>Ever wonder why?</i>)</p>
<p>The damage done by the Political Class&#8217;s continued imposition of Lock Downs has far exceeded the harm done by the virus.  Only in China is the economy booming and life is fairly close to normal.  <i>Ever wonder why?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 15:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are very few libertarians in power. They seem to think winning elected office is somehow beneath them.  Meanwhile, the people who love government power do what it takes to obtain that power.

Libertarianism is not a political ideology. It is an anti-political ideology. To hate big government is to hate politics. It&#039;s all about wanting to be left alone by everybody else. It&#039;s kind of asocial when you think about it.

The ancient Greeks had a word for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are very few libertarians in power. They seem to think winning elected office is somehow beneath them.  Meanwhile, the people who love government power do what it takes to obtain that power.</p>
<p>Libertarianism is not a political ideology. It is an anti-political ideology. To hate big government is to hate politics. It&#8217;s all about wanting to be left alone by everybody else. It&#8217;s kind of asocial when you think about it.</p>
<p>The ancient Greeks had a word for that.</p>
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