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	<title>Comments on: China used to have something quite similar to Twitter</title>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/01/china-used-to-have-something-quite-similar-to-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3343550</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 22:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like this. Mesh net where no matter where you go your address can be reached. Only needs a few addresses to find al the other addresses because each address is structured like a tree. Everyone knows where they are so finding others is a matter of following the tree. The present internet requires a vast table of where addresses are because they are all not referenced to any one place. I still don&#039;t understand how addresses relate to a persons ID so that it can be moved to a different location and still  be found??? Probably have to read the documentation about 100 times to understand.

I like the idea that since the structure is artificial and a tree one can&#039;t cut it off without taking down the whole tree or large branches of it. This means they can&#039;t stop it without shutting down large parts of the internet itself.  DNS (domain name system)can be added but is irrelevant to finding addresses.

All communication between nodes is automatically encrypted. A guess is that fast encryption like this can be broken but it cost you so they can&#039;t see everything at once. It would take time to track things and you would have to know what you were looking for beforehand.

https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/

Tie this together with something like IPFS(Interplanetary File System).

https://ipfs.io/

IPFS breaks up files into pieces and hashes them. It then scatters them all over. To find something you could just send hashes. This means all the replication of cat pictures a million times is not needed. A few thousand people can store them and then pass the data and addresses of others that have the data(exactly like BitTorrent) and they can combine them. You have multiple copies of the data so it doesn&#039;t get lost and it&#039;s downloaded from many sources sources at once so you get fantastic speed if a file is well distributed.

The to get anonymity use I2P.

https://geti2p.net/en/

I2P already has BitTorrent built in. Great for downloading movies,music, etc. people upload to trackers within the network. I2P is mostly an internal network of itself but does have a few people who make router off ramps to the regular internet but it&#039;s not a always thing. I2P also has a built in server where you can place your own site and serve it anonymously.

What we need is all of these working together. It&#039;s getting there. I2P has a lot of it now and does have a distributed file system if you can get it to work(Tahoe-LAFS (Tahoe Least-Authority File Store) ). I tried and it was so wonky I gave up. Not saying it doesn&#039;t work as people use it but if it&#039;s that problematic to get to work I&#039;m not so sure it&#039;s worth having in the first place.

I2P has already started setting up web sites that are downloaded as torrents and is slowly working towards distributed systems.

Zeronet already has a most of this and uses TOR to interconnect so it&#039;s supposedly anonymous but it uses JavaScript to make it work and I don&#039;t trust JavaScript at all. There&#039;s been to many screw ups with JavaScript and if at all possible I keep it off unless I have to. But zeronet has most of the functionality needed.

https://zeronet.io/

Something else that needs to be added is a kind of floating multi-destination server. Just like freenet you put up a set of files and after several people have downloaded them they all serve the site to whoever.

A good way to set this up might be that if you like a site you agree to serve it like zeronet which has a &quot;pin it&quot; button. I do believe that you must be able to pick what you serve unlike freenet. There&#039;s some stuff I do not want stored on my computer or any part of. If you had forums or some sort of facebook type site the more people who liked your site the more would have it stored making it faster and faster the more people who served it.

This stuff is all really close and a good two year push, maybe less, with some smart dedicated folks and a little cash and it could all come together. The code is all open source so getting it together is a matter of slogging away at it by bright people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this. Mesh net where no matter where you go your address can be reached. Only needs a few addresses to find al the other addresses because each address is structured like a tree. Everyone knows where they are so finding others is a matter of following the tree. The present internet requires a vast table of where addresses are because they are all not referenced to any one place. I still don&#8217;t understand how addresses relate to a persons ID so that it can be moved to a different location and still  be found??? Probably have to read the documentation about 100 times to understand.</p>
<p>I like the idea that since the structure is artificial and a tree one can&#8217;t cut it off without taking down the whole tree or large branches of it. This means they can&#8217;t stop it without shutting down large parts of the internet itself.  DNS (domain name system)can be added but is irrelevant to finding addresses.</p>
<p>All communication between nodes is automatically encrypted. A guess is that fast encryption like this can be broken but it cost you so they can&#8217;t see everything at once. It would take time to track things and you would have to know what you were looking for beforehand.</p>
<p><a href="https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/" >https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/</a></p>
<p>Tie this together with something like IPFS(Interplanetary File System).</p>
<p><a href="https://ipfs.io/" >https://ipfs.io/</a></p>
<p>IPFS breaks up files into pieces and hashes them. It then scatters them all over. To find something you could just send hashes. This means all the replication of cat pictures a million times is not needed. A few thousand people can store them and then pass the data and addresses of others that have the data(exactly like BitTorrent) and they can combine them. You have multiple copies of the data so it doesn&#8217;t get lost and it&#8217;s downloaded from many sources sources at once so you get fantastic speed if a file is well distributed.</p>
<p>The to get anonymity use I2P.</p>
<p><a href="https://geti2p.net/en/" >https://geti2p.net/en/</a></p>
<p>I2P already has BitTorrent built in. Great for downloading movies,music, etc. people upload to trackers within the network. I2P is mostly an internal network of itself but does have a few people who make router off ramps to the regular internet but it&#8217;s not a always thing. I2P also has a built in server where you can place your own site and serve it anonymously.</p>
<p>What we need is all of these working together. It&#8217;s getting there. I2P has a lot of it now and does have a distributed file system if you can get it to work(Tahoe-LAFS (Tahoe Least-Authority File Store) ). I tried and it was so wonky I gave up. Not saying it doesn&#8217;t work as people use it but if it&#8217;s that problematic to get to work I&#8217;m not so sure it&#8217;s worth having in the first place.</p>
<p>I2P has already started setting up web sites that are downloaded as torrents and is slowly working towards distributed systems.</p>
<p>Zeronet already has a most of this and uses TOR to interconnect so it&#8217;s supposedly anonymous but it uses JavaScript to make it work and I don&#8217;t trust JavaScript at all. There&#8217;s been to many screw ups with JavaScript and if at all possible I keep it off unless I have to. But zeronet has most of the functionality needed.</p>
<p><a href="https://zeronet.io/" >https://zeronet.io/</a></p>
<p>Something else that needs to be added is a kind of floating multi-destination server. Just like freenet you put up a set of files and after several people have downloaded them they all serve the site to whoever.</p>
<p>A good way to set this up might be that if you like a site you agree to serve it like zeronet which has a &#8220;pin it&#8221; button. I do believe that you must be able to pick what you serve unlike freenet. There&#8217;s some stuff I do not want stored on my computer or any part of. If you had forums or some sort of facebook type site the more people who liked your site the more would have it stored making it faster and faster the more people who served it.</p>
<p>This stuff is all really close and a good two year push, maybe less, with some smart dedicated folks and a little cash and it could all come together. The code is all open source so getting it together is a matter of slogging away at it by bright people.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/01/china-used-to-have-something-quite-similar-to-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3339370</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is no coincidence that the UK based libertarian group blog &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.samizdata.net/&quot;&gt;SAMIZDATA&lt;/a&gt; is so named....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is no coincidence that the UK based libertarian group blog <a href="https://www.samizdata.net/">SAMIZDATA</a> is so named&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: szopen</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/01/china-used-to-have-something-quite-similar-to-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3338939</link>
		<dc:creator>szopen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 15:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, if we talk distributed, then fediverse (mastodon, pleroma, diaspora...) is better than gab or parler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, if we talk distributed, then fediverse (mastodon, pleroma, diaspora&#8230;) is better than gab or parler.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu An Li</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2021/01/china-used-to-have-something-quite-similar-to-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3336923</link>
		<dc:creator>Lu An Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Anyone know an easy way to get into war-driving?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I think you can find various tools on the Internet for wardriving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Anyone know an easy way to get into war-driving?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I think you can find various tools on the Internet for wardriving.</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone know an easy way to get into war-driving?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know an easy way to get into war-driving?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as we rely on centralized sites we can be shut down. Distributed is the only way to go.

DNS entries and IP addresses are not the only vulnerabilities. Even onion sites need hosting, and hosting can be shut down. Distributed store, everyone. Store and forward. Share and enjoy.

Freenet almost freed us all. Good idea, bad implementation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we rely on centralized sites we can be shut down. Distributed is the only way to go.</p>
<p>DNS entries and IP addresses are not the only vulnerabilities. Even onion sites need hosting, and hosting can be shut down. Distributed store, everyone. Store and forward. Share and enjoy.</p>
<p>Freenet almost freed us all. Good idea, bad implementation.</p>
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