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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/08/can-the-demise-of-democracy-and-free-markets-be-far-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-3245850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read here as much for the comments as the initial post. Well done IP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read here as much for the comments as the initial post. Well done IP.</p>
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		<title>By: RLVC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RLVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;with the more compliant Germans and Jews&quot;

Now &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; is antisemitism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;with the more compliant Germans and Jews&#8221;</p>
<p>Now <i>this</i> is antisemitism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite, Ash.

What we have is a situation of adversarial tension between two interest groups. On one side, the agency-corporate complex (ACC); on the other, everyone else.

&lt;i&gt;Powerlessness&lt;/i&gt; is isomorphic to &lt;i&gt;slavery&lt;/i&gt;. You are free in proportion to your &lt;i&gt;willingness and ability&lt;/i&gt; to defend your material interests against the bankers, the corporatists, the servants of the surveillance state, and their eunuch army, the bureaucrats and the soldiers.

The American citizenry has devolved to a shadow of its former self, but who will say that this is accident? who will say that this “just happened”? For what use do bankers have with the self-sufficient? For what use do corporate hegemons have with an unbroken “work force”? For what use do state agencies have with a citizenry willing and able to defend its life, liberty, and property?

The role — and the necessity — of the “conditioning tools” is precisely to foster atomization, to promote the dissolution of all social bonds intermediate to the individual and the state, to maximally forestall any and all forms of organic, grassroots, fair-trade, non-GMO, farm-to-table coordination.

It is the nature &lt;i&gt;of some races&lt;/i&gt; to be malleable and subservient. Other races cannot be enslaved at all: thrown into bondage, they lie down and die. These noble races, the &lt;i&gt;Herrenvolk&lt;/i&gt; of the world, incompatible with the new world order.

There are other races who will bear the yoke, but it does not rest easily on their shoulders. The Chechens are less compliant than the Scottish; the Scottish are less compliant than the English; the English are less compliant than the Germans; the Germans are less compliant than the Japanese; the Japanese are less compliant than the Chinese.

There is no race more compliant than the Chinese.

The globe-bestriding system has conscripted vast human and material resources to solving precisely this racial problem. And make no mistake: in the inner sancta, the planning rooms, dark and glowing with information, they call it what it is. Racially, the most effective solution is mixing out the less compliant Scottish and English with the more compliant Germans and Jews; next most effective is straight biological replacement.

But it goes beyond mere descent of man. The old are more compliant than the young. The wagie is more compliant than the free man. The publicly schooled are more compliant than the privately educated. The endocrine-disrupted are more compliant than the healthy and fit and vital.

How far can the people be pushed?

How much will the citizenry take?

https://streamable.com/kwo0gg

What does the sentient world simulation say?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite, Ash.</p>
<p>What we have is a situation of adversarial tension between two interest groups. On one side, the agency-corporate complex (ACC); on the other, everyone else.</p>
<p><i>Powerlessness</i> is isomorphic to <i>slavery</i>. You are free in proportion to your <i>willingness and ability</i> to defend your material interests against the bankers, the corporatists, the servants of the surveillance state, and their eunuch army, the bureaucrats and the soldiers.</p>
<p>The American citizenry has devolved to a shadow of its former self, but who will say that this is accident? who will say that this “just happened”? For what use do bankers have with the self-sufficient? For what use do corporate hegemons have with an unbroken “work force”? For what use do state agencies have with a citizenry willing and able to defend its life, liberty, and property?</p>
<p>The role — and the necessity — of the “conditioning tools” is precisely to foster atomization, to promote the dissolution of all social bonds intermediate to the individual and the state, to maximally forestall any and all forms of organic, grassroots, fair-trade, non-GMO, farm-to-table coordination.</p>
<p>It is the nature <i>of some races</i> to be malleable and subservient. Other races cannot be enslaved at all: thrown into bondage, they lie down and die. These noble races, the <i>Herrenvolk</i> of the world, incompatible with the new world order.</p>
<p>There are other races who will bear the yoke, but it does not rest easily on their shoulders. The Chechens are less compliant than the Scottish; the Scottish are less compliant than the English; the English are less compliant than the Germans; the Germans are less compliant than the Japanese; the Japanese are less compliant than the Chinese.</p>
<p>There is no race more compliant than the Chinese.</p>
<p>The globe-bestriding system has conscripted vast human and material resources to solving precisely this racial problem. And make no mistake: in the inner sancta, the planning rooms, dark and glowing with information, they call it what it is. Racially, the most effective solution is mixing out the less compliant Scottish and English with the more compliant Germans and Jews; next most effective is straight biological replacement.</p>
<p>But it goes beyond mere descent of man. The old are more compliant than the young. The wagie is more compliant than the free man. The publicly schooled are more compliant than the privately educated. The endocrine-disrupted are more compliant than the healthy and fit and vital.</p>
<p>How far can the people be pushed?</p>
<p>How much will the citizenry take?</p>
<p><a href="https://streamable.com/kwo0gg" >https://streamable.com/kwo0gg</a></p>
<p>What does the sentient world simulation say?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2020 03:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Kirk that IQ has nothing to do with common sense. Many book smart IQ heavy people have no common sense at all and couldn&#039;t run a hot dog stand.

A fair amount of qualifications mills, colleges, are really who you know to get in and the actual instruction has been watered down.

At the same time I believe if you want a &quot;cheap&quot; way to determine applicants suitability for a position IQ work perfectly well in a broad based mass way. It doesn&#039;t account for each individual but it tracks fairly well in mass.

IQ test qualifications are just a cheap way to sort people.

And businesses still use IQ type test for hiring purposes.

Qualifications, college degrees, are just a way businesses get around not giving IQ test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kirk that IQ has nothing to do with common sense. Many book smart IQ heavy people have no common sense at all and couldn&#8217;t run a hot dog stand.</p>
<p>A fair amount of qualifications mills, colleges, are really who you know to get in and the actual instruction has been watered down.</p>
<p>At the same time I believe if you want a &#8220;cheap&#8221; way to determine applicants suitability for a position IQ work perfectly well in a broad based mass way. It doesn&#8217;t account for each individual but it tracks fairly well in mass.</p>
<p>IQ test qualifications are just a cheap way to sort people.</p>
<p>And businesses still use IQ type test for hiring purposes.</p>
<p>Qualifications, college degrees, are just a way businesses get around not giving IQ test.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash Staub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash Staub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2020 03:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nonsense.  The “demos” have all of the weapons, together having martial überhegemony, and it is taking the full weight of the most sophisticated psychological control grid in the history of human existence to keep these “demos” from organizing.&quot;

Jim, it seems like you&#039;re partially agreeing with me.  Your argument is predicated on tacit acknowledgement of the undemocratic nature of our system, the &quot;psychological control grid&quot; the means of pacification.  You seem to be presupposing the exact powerlessness I am claiming.

Now, you go on to assert that such conditioning tools are necessary due to raw power potential of the unwashed masses.  Great, I agree; but how does that challenge my claim?  It is potential as yet unactualized.  Possessing the raw materials to effect change is not the same as possessing the means.  It is the nature of the demos to be malleable and subservient, and you don&#039;t need a media industry to rule them, but it does make it easier.  Paradigmatic change in information networks and other ruling institutions is a prerequisite for such actualization. Yours is an optimistic notion, and I certainly agree with the sentiment, but I fear it does not approximate the current state of affairs.

And acknowledging the current state of affairs as undemocratic, and similarly acknowledging power disparities, is the first step in achieving the pro-human future you desire, and I&#039;m with you on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nonsense.  The “demos” have all of the weapons, together having martial überhegemony, and it is taking the full weight of the most sophisticated psychological control grid in the history of human existence to keep these “demos” from organizing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jim, it seems like you&#8217;re partially agreeing with me.  Your argument is predicated on tacit acknowledgement of the undemocratic nature of our system, the &#8220;psychological control grid&#8221; the means of pacification.  You seem to be presupposing the exact powerlessness I am claiming.</p>
<p>Now, you go on to assert that such conditioning tools are necessary due to raw power potential of the unwashed masses.  Great, I agree; but how does that challenge my claim?  It is potential as yet unactualized.  Possessing the raw materials to effect change is not the same as possessing the means.  It is the nature of the demos to be malleable and subservient, and you don&#8217;t need a media industry to rule them, but it does make it easier.  Paradigmatic change in information networks and other ruling institutions is a prerequisite for such actualization. Yours is an optimistic notion, and I certainly agree with the sentiment, but I fear it does not approximate the current state of affairs.</p>
<p>And acknowledging the current state of affairs as undemocratic, and similarly acknowledging power disparities, is the first step in achieving the pro-human future you desire, and I&#8217;m with you on that.</p>
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		<title>By: RLVC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RLVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2020 23:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything is an IQ test.

Stanford-Binet, Wonderlic, SAT, ACT, &lt;i&gt;Wordsum&lt;/i&gt;.

Writing well. Speaking well. Profiting handsomely.

Persuasive ability.

Everything is an IQ test... &lt;i&gt;except moral sensibility&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything is an IQ test.</p>
<p>Stanford-Binet, Wonderlic, SAT, ACT, <i>Wordsum</i>.</p>
<p>Writing well. Speaking well. Profiting handsomely.</p>
<p>Persuasive ability.</p>
<p>Everything is an IQ test&#8230; <i>except moral sensibility</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erich,

I will accept your premise, but mark it &quot;Unproven&quot;.

Two sides to the issue? Have you looked at academia, recently? The manner in which many, if not most, STEM programs are rolling over and playing dead for the SJW types? Does that indicate to you that there is a real difference between the two schools of &quot;intellectual types&quot;? It tells me that there really isn&#039;t a whit&#039;s worth of space between them, and that they&#039;re all far more concerned with process and paperwork than reality.

Additionally, your thesis that there are &quot;intellectuals who work&quot; is suspect; how much of the vaunted technical progress you ascribe to them is due to the anointed tested ones actually doing the work?

Based on the way things like continental drift theory and the channeled scablands explanation have gone, historically speaking, I would contend that the anointed ones are not as bright as one might wish. How long were the coastlines of Africa and South America observable on any globe, and yet the anointed academics in geology and geography were in total denial about the implications? Continental drift, I might remind you, did not become the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; until the 1950s, with convoluted theories denying the reality before anyone with a globe holding sway before it became impossible to deny.

Intelligence and intellectualism are not well-defined by self-referential bullshit that the so-called &quot;intelligent and intellectual&quot; types come up with. The old saw about &quot;man proposes; God disposes&quot; holds sway here, and if some self-proclaimed &quot;genius&quot; goes forth into the world and produces real-world verifiable and undeniable results, that&#039;s one thing. If he or she does nothing but fall on their faces, yet rage on about how much smarter they are than the &quot;average man&quot; who somehow manages to avoid the fall, that should tell us something about how &quot;smart&quot; they actually are.

Results and reality matter. Nothing more, nothing less--And, if you can&#039;t produce results with the &quot;proper credentials&quot;, maybe it&#039;s time to question the validity and value of those credentials.

Hell, look at AOC: Bitch has an &lt;i&gt;economics degree&lt;/i&gt;, and is unable to do basic math or grasp the very basics of how economies function. Anyone with a degree from her school should be suing the administration and its members from the time she matriculated, because the value of that degree is now demonstrably zero.

Smart is as smart does; if what smart does doesn&#039;t work, then it ain&#039;t smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich,</p>
<p>I will accept your premise, but mark it &#8220;Unproven&#8221;.</p>
<p>Two sides to the issue? Have you looked at academia, recently? The manner in which many, if not most, STEM programs are rolling over and playing dead for the SJW types? Does that indicate to you that there is a real difference between the two schools of &#8220;intellectual types&#8221;? It tells me that there really isn&#8217;t a whit&#8217;s worth of space between them, and that they&#8217;re all far more concerned with process and paperwork than reality.</p>
<p>Additionally, your thesis that there are &#8220;intellectuals who work&#8221; is suspect; how much of the vaunted technical progress you ascribe to them is due to the anointed tested ones actually doing the work?</p>
<p>Based on the way things like continental drift theory and the channeled scablands explanation have gone, historically speaking, I would contend that the anointed ones are not as bright as one might wish. How long were the coastlines of Africa and South America observable on any globe, and yet the anointed academics in geology and geography were in total denial about the implications? Continental drift, I might remind you, did not become the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; until the 1950s, with convoluted theories denying the reality before anyone with a globe holding sway before it became impossible to deny.</p>
<p>Intelligence and intellectualism are not well-defined by self-referential bullshit that the so-called &#8220;intelligent and intellectual&#8221; types come up with. The old saw about &#8220;man proposes; God disposes&#8221; holds sway here, and if some self-proclaimed &#8220;genius&#8221; goes forth into the world and produces real-world verifiable and undeniable results, that&#8217;s one thing. If he or she does nothing but fall on their faces, yet rage on about how much smarter they are than the &#8220;average man&#8221; who somehow manages to avoid the fall, that should tell us something about how &#8220;smart&#8221; they actually are.</p>
<p>Results and reality matter. Nothing more, nothing less&#8211;And, if you can&#8217;t produce results with the &#8220;proper credentials&#8221;, maybe it&#8217;s time to question the validity and value of those credentials.</p>
<p>Hell, look at AOC: Bitch has an <i>economics degree</i>, and is unable to do basic math or grasp the very basics of how economies function. Anyone with a degree from her school should be suing the administration and its members from the time she matriculated, because the value of that degree is now demonstrably zero.</p>
<p>Smart is as smart does; if what smart does doesn&#8217;t work, then it ain&#8217;t smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk, with all due respect: I&#039;m not buying it. I see reports of rich kids hiring other kids to take their exams for them, and I think: money talks, and sometimes it talks B.S.

There are online sites where rich kids can farm out their term papers and reports. That&#039;s the real world.

Oh, and don&#039;t get me started on Harvard&#039;s quota system.

By the way, the credential tests aren&#039;t all that hard. Really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk, with all due respect: I&#8217;m not buying it. I see reports of rich kids hiring other kids to take their exams for them, and I think: money talks, and sometimes it talks B.S.</p>
<p>There are online sites where rich kids can farm out their term papers and reports. That&#8217;s the real world.</p>
<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t get me started on Harvard&#8217;s quota system.</p>
<p>By the way, the credential tests aren&#8217;t all that hard. Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harry, your arguments are disingenuous at best, and outright distortions of reality at worst. Lies, in other words.

IQ testing is supposedly not used in hiring practices, but it sure as hell is used throughout what we may term the &quot;credentialing process&quot; that is not only allowed, but &lt;i&gt;de rigeuer&lt;/i&gt; throughout our society. Kids who don&#039;t &quot;do well&quot; on standardized testing, including the various IQ tests, will never, ever get into the credential mills that we&#039;ve turned our educational institutions into. If they do somehow manage, they&#039;ll never get the scholarships, and have to pay full fare to get on the rides.

And, note: Nowhere will anyone ever be subject to either honest performance appraisal/feedback, or held accountable for said performance. Because &quot;credential&quot;. As we used to say in the Army: &quot;Fuck up, move up...&quot;.

Any system built on bullshit academic degrees and supposed qualifications not validated by performance is doomed to failure.

And, looking at what these cretins have managed, I am pretty damn sure that whatever the IQ test regimes measures, it&#039;s not real-world intelligence or potential for performance. I&#039;m not even all that sure it measures anything at all, past the ability to do well on testing in classrooms and other controlled environments.

Something I&#039;d like to do with a lot of these high-browed &quot;intellectual&quot; types is take them out into the real world, put them under stress, and then see how well they do on the tests under those conditions. Based on a good deal of experience with the sorts of idiots they preferentially commission in the armed forces, I suspect that a &quot;stressed IQ test&quot; is going to produce massively different results than the ones taken in classrooms where the most stress is coming from the test itself and perhaps breaking your #2 pencil.

Hell, I&#039;d love to see the results of running some of these functional dolts through timed obstacle courses with puzzles along the way, and the added stress of someone waiting to ambush them and beat the crap out of them along the way. I dare say the results would be severely skewed from what we&#039;re doing right now. Might even serve as educational for the subjects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, your arguments are disingenuous at best, and outright distortions of reality at worst. Lies, in other words.</p>
<p>IQ testing is supposedly not used in hiring practices, but it sure as hell is used throughout what we may term the &#8220;credentialing process&#8221; that is not only allowed, but <i>de rigeuer</i> throughout our society. Kids who don&#8217;t &#8220;do well&#8221; on standardized testing, including the various IQ tests, will never, ever get into the credential mills that we&#8217;ve turned our educational institutions into. If they do somehow manage, they&#8217;ll never get the scholarships, and have to pay full fare to get on the rides.</p>
<p>And, note: Nowhere will anyone ever be subject to either honest performance appraisal/feedback, or held accountable for said performance. Because &#8220;credential&#8221;. As we used to say in the Army: &#8220;Fuck up, move up&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Any system built on bullshit academic degrees and supposed qualifications not validated by performance is doomed to failure.</p>
<p>And, looking at what these cretins have managed, I am pretty damn sure that whatever the IQ test regimes measures, it&#8217;s not real-world intelligence or potential for performance. I&#8217;m not even all that sure it measures anything at all, past the ability to do well on testing in classrooms and other controlled environments.</p>
<p>Something I&#8217;d like to do with a lot of these high-browed &#8220;intellectual&#8221; types is take them out into the real world, put them under stress, and then see how well they do on the tests under those conditions. Based on a good deal of experience with the sorts of idiots they preferentially commission in the armed forces, I suspect that a &#8220;stressed IQ test&#8221; is going to produce massively different results than the ones taken in classrooms where the most stress is coming from the test itself and perhaps breaking your #2 pencil.</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;d love to see the results of running some of these functional dolts through timed obstacle courses with puzzles along the way, and the added stress of someone waiting to ambush them and beat the crap out of them along the way. I dare say the results would be severely skewed from what we&#8217;re doing right now. Might even serve as educational for the subjects.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guys... you do know they&#039;re not allowed to use IQ in hiring decisions, right? They&#039;re not even allowed to know.

Technology is another word for the things we do that work.

I&#039;ll take Stanford-Binet until something better comes along. But it doesn&#039;t matter, because we&#039;re not allowed to go by it anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

Don&#039;t blame the high IQ people if you don&#039;t even know who they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys&#8230; you do know they&#8217;re not allowed to use IQ in hiring decisions, right? They&#8217;re not even allowed to know.</p>
<p>Technology is another word for the things we do that work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take Stanford-Binet until something better comes along. But it doesn&#8217;t matter, because we&#8217;re not allowed to go by it anyway.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co" >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame the high IQ people if you don&#8217;t even know who they are.</p>
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