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	<title>Comments on: That all true believers break their eggs at the convenient end</title>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t used to think about trannies at all. Now society wants us to think of little else, barring a crisis.

Whatever else may be said for or against, the idea that a person can completely self define against biology is a pretty hard rejection of just about every philosophical tradition I&#039;ve ever heard of, including very much Enlightenment traditions. Even Romantics didn&#039;t think that. Or Marxists. 

And yet somehow religion is carrying all the weight of criticism.

But more to the point, part of how this worldview has won, at least for now, is getting itself normalized fast and hard and throwing the satire all the other way. A complete reversal in just a few years. Remarkable, except no one will ever discuss it in such an observational way in any published works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t used to think about trannies at all. Now society wants us to think of little else, barring a crisis.</p>
<p>Whatever else may be said for or against, the idea that a person can completely self define against biology is a pretty hard rejection of just about every philosophical tradition I&#8217;ve ever heard of, including very much Enlightenment traditions. Even Romantics didn&#8217;t think that. Or Marxists. </p>
<p>And yet somehow religion is carrying all the weight of criticism.</p>
<p>But more to the point, part of how this worldview has won, at least for now, is getting itself normalized fast and hard and throwing the satire all the other way. A complete reversal in just a few years. Remarkable, except no one will ever discuss it in such an observational way in any published works.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2020 00:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Devout Catholic relatives ask why I talk to my kids about homos and trannies so much. I say, you think you just have to teach them God&#039;s eternal truth and they&#039;ll grow up right. Miriam Weeks was raised in such a family as theirs. Truth isn&#039;t enough; you also have to teach them to reject falsehood, and for that you need an up-to-date list of the latest fashionable falsehoods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devout Catholic relatives ask why I talk to my kids about homos and trannies so much. I say, you think you just have to teach them God&#8217;s eternal truth and they&#8217;ll grow up right. Miriam Weeks was raised in such a family as theirs. Truth isn&#8217;t enough; you also have to teach them to reject falsehood, and for that you need an up-to-date list of the latest fashionable falsehoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When has sending up human foolishness ever stopped humans from being foolish? Idiocy is constantly mutating. To vaccinate against a strain that will soon be obsolete accomplishes little.

And it has a bad side effect: laughing at previous generations instills a false sense of self-superiority, which leads to self-righteousness, which leads to beating people up for not sharing your views.

We are not better than our ancestors. We&#039;re just bad in different ways.

And don&#039;t talk to me about societal progress. That&#039;s a mirage created by cherry picking the data and redefining terms in self-serving ways. It&#039;s not progress, it&#039;s just changing moral fashions. Reform is meaningless. It&#039;s just churn.

(Technological progress is real, but satire contributes nothing to that. Besides, moralists tend to oppose technological progress.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When has sending up human foolishness ever stopped humans from being foolish? Idiocy is constantly mutating. To vaccinate against a strain that will soon be obsolete accomplishes little.</p>
<p>And it has a bad side effect: laughing at previous generations instills a false sense of self-superiority, which leads to self-righteousness, which leads to beating people up for not sharing your views.</p>
<p>We are not better than our ancestors. We&#8217;re just bad in different ways.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t talk to me about societal progress. That&#8217;s a mirage created by cherry picking the data and redefining terms in self-serving ways. It&#8217;s not progress, it&#8217;s just changing moral fashions. Reform is meaningless. It&#8217;s just churn.</p>
<p>(Technological progress is real, but satire contributes nothing to that. Besides, moralists tend to oppose technological progress.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Swiftian satire had its place and time; it was appropriate then, and spoke to the people of that era. Today, not so much.

I think satire is still as vital and effective as it always was, it is just that the forms and the conventions have morphed around it. Compare &quot;Young Frankenstein&quot; to Swift, and neither looks very much alike, but... They are still send-ups of the same thing, human foolishness. Which is ever and eternally with us.

I don&#039;t think satire is ever going to serve the uses Swift tried to put it to, which was to encourage reform. There&#039;s a naive earnestness to it all, &quot;A Modest Proposal&quot; being the most obvious example, which simply does not work. Satire is at its most effective when it has been internalized and made a part of everyone&#039;s mental furniture such that they find the satirized idea risible when it comes up. It&#039;s subtle, and not all that effective, but that is its limitation. Only the knowing are affected by it, and you probably didn&#039;t really need to point that out to those parties in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swiftian satire had its place and time; it was appropriate then, and spoke to the people of that era. Today, not so much.</p>
<p>I think satire is still as vital and effective as it always was, it is just that the forms and the conventions have morphed around it. Compare &#8220;Young Frankenstein&#8221; to Swift, and neither looks very much alike, but&#8230; They are still send-ups of the same thing, human foolishness. Which is ever and eternally with us.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think satire is ever going to serve the uses Swift tried to put it to, which was to encourage reform. There&#8217;s a naive earnestness to it all, &#8220;A Modest Proposal&#8221; being the most obvious example, which simply does not work. Satire is at its most effective when it has been internalized and made a part of everyone&#8217;s mental furniture such that they find the satirized idea risible when it comes up. It&#8217;s subtle, and not all that effective, but that is its limitation. Only the knowing are affected by it, and you probably didn&#8217;t really need to point that out to those parties in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sort of satire seems dated. Kids read it and think &quot;oh, I&#039;d never be that stupid!&quot; And so they are inoculated against a particular strain of now-obvious stupidity.

But the world is always inventing new ways of being viciously stupid. And I know no way to satirize vicious stupidity per se.

I used to love satire. Now I&#039;m not sure it serves any great purpose beyond self-congratulation of the reader. It all seems facile to me. Satirists are too shallow, too focused on ephemera. They have no deep insights and no solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of satire seems dated. Kids read it and think &#8220;oh, I&#8217;d never be that stupid!&#8221; And so they are inoculated against a particular strain of now-obvious stupidity.</p>
<p>But the world is always inventing new ways of being viciously stupid. And I know no way to satirize vicious stupidity per se.</p>
<p>I used to love satire. Now I&#8217;m not sure it serves any great purpose beyond self-congratulation of the reader. It all seems facile to me. Satirists are too shallow, too focused on ephemera. They have no deep insights and no solutions.</p>
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