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	<title>Comments on: Fear of the inchoate other was so great</title>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/03/fear-of-the-inchoate-other-was-so-great/comment-page-1/#comment-3066063</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 14:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, &quot;fear of the inchoate other&quot; is a magic phrase that encapsulates and reveals so much about the author&#039;s mindset.

I don&#039;t know about some other folks, but most of my Others have already taken shape. Any new ones the apocalypse provides will just be variants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, &#8220;fear of the inchoate other&#8221; is a magic phrase that encapsulates and reveals so much about the author&#8217;s mindset.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about some other folks, but most of my Others have already taken shape. Any new ones the apocalypse provides will just be variants.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/03/fear-of-the-inchoate-other-was-so-great/comment-page-1/#comment-3066060</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just as progressives have a tendency to assume statistically low crime = no crime = no reason to harshly punish criminals we do have, so there seems to be an assumption that:

Wow, social solidarity among people with some reasonable ties to place and each other holds up well under relatively brief conditions of disaster with help a notional 3 days away

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social solidarity holds up well in all conditions

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Stupid reactionaries who anticipate danger/collapse need to be slapped as rubes


Weaken the ties of community among the groups in your model, or lengthen the period of disaster longer than 3 days, let alone to &quot;indefinite&quot;.

There will still be social solidarity, people are like that, but it won&#039;t be total. People are like that too. How the lines will break down may not be obvious in advance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as progressives have a tendency to assume statistically low crime = no crime = no reason to harshly punish criminals we do have, so there seems to be an assumption that:</p>
<p>Wow, social solidarity among people with some reasonable ties to place and each other holds up well under relatively brief conditions of disaster with help a notional 3 days away</p>
<p>=</p>
<p>social solidarity holds up well in all conditions</p>
<p>=</p>
<p>Stupid reactionaries who anticipate danger/collapse need to be slapped as rubes</p>
<p>Weaken the ties of community among the groups in your model, or lengthen the period of disaster longer than 3 days, let alone to &#8220;indefinite&#8221;.</p>
<p>There will still be social solidarity, people are like that, but it won&#8217;t be total. People are like that too. How the lines will break down may not be obvious in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2020 17:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, your example sucks ass in this context.

Bosnia was not a &quot;disaster&quot; other than in terms of politics, and since the nature of that disaster was essentially a breakdown in society itself...? Yeah; lousy example.

Additionally, Sarajevo during the period described was nothing like, say, Nashville, TN after the tornadoes rolled through. Incoherent culture, total breakdown of order, and, lastly, dealing with Serbs and Muslims. It&#039;d be about like bemoaning the Hatfields and McCoys being an example of &quot;no cooperation after disaster&quot;, only exponentially worse.

The nature of the disaster itself was human-caused--And, what is bizarre is that I would wager that if an asteroid had struck the Adriatic, the Bosnian Muslims and Serbs might well have made common cause in the face of it. Left to their own devices, however? Internecine and incestuous warfare was the order of the day, working out the issues those groups had going back to the Turks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, your example sucks ass in this context.</p>
<p>Bosnia was not a &#8220;disaster&#8221; other than in terms of politics, and since the nature of that disaster was essentially a breakdown in society itself&#8230;? Yeah; lousy example.</p>
<p>Additionally, Sarajevo during the period described was nothing like, say, Nashville, TN after the tornadoes rolled through. Incoherent culture, total breakdown of order, and, lastly, dealing with Serbs and Muslims. It&#8217;d be about like bemoaning the Hatfields and McCoys being an example of &#8220;no cooperation after disaster&#8221;, only exponentially worse.</p>
<p>The nature of the disaster itself was human-caused&#8211;And, what is bizarre is that I would wager that if an asteroid had struck the Adriatic, the Bosnian Muslims and Serbs might well have made common cause in the face of it. Left to their own devices, however? Internecine and incestuous warfare was the order of the day, working out the issues those groups had going back to the Turks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 16:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(((Lauren Groff))) is 42 and definitely on the down slope of &quot;hotness.&quot; Birth Date: Jul 23, 1978.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(((Lauren Groff))) is 42 and definitely on the down slope of &#8220;hotness.&#8221; Birth Date: Jul 23, 1978.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/03/fear-of-the-inchoate-other-was-so-great/comment-page-1/#comment-3063792</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t want her even if she were hot. She&#039;s stupid, and that makes her a liability. Let the walkers have her.

Unity is the false god of totalitarians and of the insecure. First do things right, then the unity will happen. Put unity first, and you&#039;ll never do things right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want her even if she were hot. She&#8217;s stupid, and that makes her a liability. Let the walkers have her.</p>
<p>Unity is the false god of totalitarians and of the insecure. First do things right, then the unity will happen. Put unity first, and you&#8217;ll never do things right.</p>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 05:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I unironically agree with this. I think that the author gets more right than she gets wrong. But I’m guessing she’s the sort of person you don’t invite into your post-zombie-apocalypse nomad-pastoralist warrior-tribe unless she’s young and seriously hot.

And if I had to guess I’d say she probably isn’t especially young or hot.

Just saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I unironically agree with this. I think that the author gets more right than she gets wrong. But I’m guessing she’s the sort of person you don’t invite into your post-zombie-apocalypse nomad-pastoralist warrior-tribe unless she’s young and seriously hot.</p>
<p>And if I had to guess I’d say she probably isn’t especially young or hot.</p>
<p>Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 01:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;there is, in fact, very little antisocial behavior that takes place after disasters.&quot;

Tell it to this guy:

https://personalliberty.com/one-year-in-hell/

Cities are full of the sorts of people who do not respond well to disasters. A few hours without electricity and it&#039;s total anarchy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is, in fact, very little antisocial behavior that takes place after disasters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell it to this guy:</p>
<p><a href="https://personalliberty.com/one-year-in-hell/" >https://personalliberty.com/one-year-in-hell/</a></p>
<p>Cities are full of the sorts of people who do not respond well to disasters. A few hours without electricity and it&#8217;s total anarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I buy meat from the supermarket because I can, and because I&#039;ve got no use for unfermented soy products.

If civilization collapses I&#039;ll outlive the soyboys, but the preppers will outlive me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy meat from the supermarket because I can, and because I&#8217;ve got no use for unfermented soy products.</p>
<p>If civilization collapses I&#8217;ll outlive the soyboys, but the preppers will outlive me.</p>
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		<title>By: WangWeiLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>WangWeiLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rural survivalists used to be called farmers. Lauren Groff is an idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rural survivalists used to be called farmers. Lauren Groff is an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Voatboy</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/03/fear-of-the-inchoate-other-was-so-great/comment-page-1/#comment-3062450</link>
		<dc:creator>Voatboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2020 22:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These silly rural peasants, who buy guns in the backward belief that guns will protect them, also sometimes use those guns to murder Bambi. They are a lower form of life, unlike saintly and enlightened journalists. Journalists buy their meat from the supermarket so that no animals are harmed.

The problem is that rural people are unclean, whereas journalists are God&#039;s gift to the world. When journalists finally bring the dictatorship of the proletariat, there will be no more farming. Instead, pure kosher beef will be created from the infallible typewriters of the Party. Until then, any traitor who contradicts the message of the party must be denounced to the nearest commissar as a reactionary, and probably a Kulak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These silly rural peasants, who buy guns in the backward belief that guns will protect them, also sometimes use those guns to murder Bambi. They are a lower form of life, unlike saintly and enlightened journalists. Journalists buy their meat from the supermarket so that no animals are harmed.</p>
<p>The problem is that rural people are unclean, whereas journalists are God&#8217;s gift to the world. When journalists finally bring the dictatorship of the proletariat, there will be no more farming. Instead, pure kosher beef will be created from the infallible typewriters of the Party. Until then, any traitor who contradicts the message of the party must be denounced to the nearest commissar as a reactionary, and probably a Kulak.</p>
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