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	<title>Comments on: Intelligence and character aren’t the same things at all</title>
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		<title>By: RLVC</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3027010</link>
		<dc:creator>RLVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2020 07:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T. Greer, you&#039;re quite right. They don&#039;t care. Of course they don&#039;t. And I don&#039;t think social distance is necessarily the right metric, but it isn&#039;t clear just what is.

Incidentally, what was your Charles Murray Bubble Score?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T. Greer, you&#8217;re quite right. They don&#8217;t care. Of course they don&#8217;t. And I don&#8217;t think social distance is necessarily the right metric, but it isn&#8217;t clear just what is.</p>
<p>Incidentally, what was your Charles Murray Bubble Score?</p>
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		<title>By: T. Greer</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3026990</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2020 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Native Americans – dearly loved, but they are pretty much the opposite of our elites&quot;

Silly. Has anybody been to the Navajo Nation? How many of these elites have? How many of them care a whit about helping what is essentially a third world undeveloped nation in the middle of the American heartland? They don&#039;t care. I would argue the same thing with black America. They don&#039;t care about those groups any more (or any less) than they do Appalachian coal miners out of work. They use them as symbols, but their personal contact or concern for the people of these worlds is about 0.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Native Americans – dearly loved, but they are pretty much the opposite of our elites&#8221;</p>
<p>Silly. Has anybody been to the Navajo Nation? How many of these elites have? How many of them care a whit about helping what is essentially a third world undeveloped nation in the middle of the American heartland? They don&#8217;t care. I would argue the same thing with black America. They don&#8217;t care about those groups any more (or any less) than they do Appalachian coal miners out of work. They use them as symbols, but their personal contact or concern for the people of these worlds is about 0.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3026041</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s something condescending about loving those far below your station. And there&#039;s something cheap and easy about being tolerant toward those who pose no immediate challenge to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something condescending about loving those far below your station. And there&#8217;s something cheap and easy about being tolerant toward those who pose no immediate challenge to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3026025</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, for it to happen the concept of Sin has to have regained a strong return. Sin is essential to control others, since it is a strong mechanism to weak resistance, while at same time building cultural power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, for it to happen the concept of Sin has to have regained a strong return. Sin is essential to control others, since it is a strong mechanism to weak resistance, while at same time building cultural power.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3026024</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In a way, it’s the opposite: the farther away someone is from our elites in socio-economic-cultural status, the more our elites love them.&quot;

I don&#039;t think they &quot;love&quot; because love implies caring and they don&#039;t care the blacks keep murdering blacks. The first and principal reason is utilitarian, they use them to beat their own past they see reflected on common people.

The elite is fighting the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a way, it’s the opposite: the farther away someone is from our elites in socio-economic-cultural status, the more our elites love them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they &#8220;love&#8221; because love implies caring and they don&#8217;t care the blacks keep murdering blacks. The first and principal reason is utilitarian, they use them to beat their own past they see reflected on common people.</p>
<p>The elite is fighting the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Albion</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3026021</link>
		<dc:creator>Albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Bomag on this one:  &#039;the farther away someone is from our elites in socio-economic-cultural status, the more our elites love them.&#039;

The elite are excited by their collective adoration of the masses and even its violent, unstable dregs who cause trouble for the majority, though these are precisely the sort our supposed betters strive to carefully avoid (other than as brief virtue-signalling gestures, of course).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Bomag on this one:  &#8216;the farther away someone is from our elites in socio-economic-cultural status, the more our elites love them.&#8217;</p>
<p>The elite are excited by their collective adoration of the masses and even its violent, unstable dregs who cause trouble for the majority, though these are precisely the sort our supposed betters strive to carefully avoid (other than as brief virtue-signalling gestures, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3025968</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Yang can’t have it both ways. If there’s going to be big government, or even a modern bureaucratic state, there’s going to be a governing class. And a governing class is a class. And a class has class consciousness.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a reasonable construct, and one that really can&#039;t be refuted.

However, I would like to point out that &quot;big government&quot; and &quot;modern bureaucratic states&quot; are both things that we do very, very badly as a species. To the point where I would submit that this is not in our nature, and it&#039;s about time we recognized that fact and quit trying to fit ourselves into the funny round holes, given our very square natures.

Fundamental point is that the inevitable ossification and corruption that comes with those two constructs are things that lead, in the end, to massive suffering, misery, and collapse. So... Why even start on that road? Why go that way? Are there no other options?

You create a power center, you automatically create an attraction for all that is worst in humanity. Those structures that enable the power centers are things we need to be very careful about bringing into existence, because they will inevitably be used against us. There&#039;s not a single instance in all of human history where this hasn&#039;t been true, and it is about damn time we recognized that fact.

There are no saintly kings, leaders, managers, or whatever else you want to title the bastards. Create a position of power, and someone will appear to corrupt it and misuse it. That&#039;s the nature of man, and we need to start designing our institutions to reflect this fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Yang can’t have it both ways. If there’s going to be big government, or even a modern bureaucratic state, there’s going to be a governing class. And a governing class is a class. And a class has class consciousness.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a reasonable construct, and one that really can&#8217;t be refuted.</p>
<p>However, I would like to point out that &#8220;big government&#8221; and &#8220;modern bureaucratic states&#8221; are both things that we do very, very badly as a species. To the point where I would submit that this is not in our nature, and it&#8217;s about time we recognized that fact and quit trying to fit ourselves into the funny round holes, given our very square natures.</p>
<p>Fundamental point is that the inevitable ossification and corruption that comes with those two constructs are things that lead, in the end, to massive suffering, misery, and collapse. So&#8230; Why even start on that road? Why go that way? Are there no other options?</p>
<p>You create a power center, you automatically create an attraction for all that is worst in humanity. Those structures that enable the power centers are things we need to be very careful about bringing into existence, because they will inevitably be used against us. There&#8217;s not a single instance in all of human history where this hasn&#8217;t been true, and it is about damn time we recognized that fact.</p>
<p>There are no saintly kings, leaders, managers, or whatever else you want to title the bastards. Create a position of power, and someone will appear to corrupt it and misuse it. That&#8217;s the nature of man, and we need to start designing our institutions to reflect this fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3025960</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 00:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yang can&#039;t have it both ways. If there&#039;s going to be big government, or even a modern bureaucratic state, there&#039;s going to be a governing class. And a governing class is a class. And a class has class consciousness.

The only way to manage the problem is for the ruling elite to be swapped out from time to time for a new elite. We all know what that means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yang can&#8217;t have it both ways. If there&#8217;s going to be big government, or even a modern bureaucratic state, there&#8217;s going to be a governing class. And a governing class is a class. And a class has class consciousness.</p>
<p>The only way to manage the problem is for the ruling elite to be swapped out from time to time for a new elite. We all know what that means.</p>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3025957</link>
		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2020 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would recommend this book to anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend this book to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/intelligence-and-character-arent-the-same-things-at-all/comment-page-1/#comment-3025949</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They see risk as a bad thing. They optimize for the wrong things....They get pissed off when others succeed. ... They think ideas supersede action. They get agitated if they’re not making clear progress. ..They fear being wrong and looking silly. They don’t like to sell. They talk themselves out of having guts.&quot;

To the extent that this description is accurate, the problem Yang sees with these people is self-solving.  Few people are going to get very far without being willing to sell (something), and being reasonably good at it.  People who fear being wrong and lacking guts are highly circumscribed in the things they can do.  People with extreme and brittle self-esteem (which he doesn&#039;t mention but is implied) limit themselves in attempting to guard it, and shatter when their shield are pierces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They see risk as a bad thing. They optimize for the wrong things&#8230;.They get pissed off when others succeed. &#8230; They think ideas supersede action. They get agitated if they’re not making clear progress. ..They fear being wrong and looking silly. They don’t like to sell. They talk themselves out of having guts.&#8221;</p>
<p>To the extent that this description is accurate, the problem Yang sees with these people is self-solving.  Few people are going to get very far without being willing to sell (something), and being reasonably good at it.  People who fear being wrong and lacking guts are highly circumscribed in the things they can do.  People with extreme and brittle self-esteem (which he doesn&#8217;t mention but is implied) limit themselves in attempting to guard it, and shatter when their shield are pierces.</p>
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