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	<title>Comments on: A strong state is distinct from a very large or tyrannical state</title>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2020 09:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....&quot;Here’s a news flash for anyone in government: You grant power to something, some agency, some position, and you’ve just created a honey pot for human scum that will seek to use that power for their own ends and to their own benefit. The only answer to this problem is not to have those power sinks in the first place.&quot;.....

There is an anecdote (likely apocryphal), about Margaret Thatcher.

During a cabinet meeting, she brought up a particular issue, something like youth unemployment in the north or whatever, and said she wanted something done about it.  One of her ministers proclaimed, excellent idea, we will strike a committee to study the problem and make recommendations for possible solutions.

She cut him off, saying something along the lines of,  &quot;NO!  I want this solved! if we create a committee, then we will get a group for who the continuation of their jobs and perks depends upon the problem continuing to exist.&quot;

Up here in Canada, we have an Indian Affairs Dept., which spends something like fifty grand a year for each &quot;Status Indian&quot; in Canada.  Yet poverty and dis-function continues on our reserves.  I have a colleague at work who was married to a status Indian, her response to me asking if she felt she got fifty grand&#039;s worth of value from them was rather pungent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.&#8221;Here’s a news flash for anyone in government: You grant power to something, some agency, some position, and you’ve just created a honey pot for human scum that will seek to use that power for their own ends and to their own benefit. The only answer to this problem is not to have those power sinks in the first place.&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
<p>There is an anecdote (likely apocryphal), about Margaret Thatcher.</p>
<p>During a cabinet meeting, she brought up a particular issue, something like youth unemployment in the north or whatever, and said she wanted something done about it.  One of her ministers proclaimed, excellent idea, we will strike a committee to study the problem and make recommendations for possible solutions.</p>
<p>She cut him off, saying something along the lines of,  &#8220;NO!  I want this solved! if we create a committee, then we will get a group for who the continuation of their jobs and perks depends upon the problem continuing to exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Up here in Canada, we have an Indian Affairs Dept., which spends something like fifty grand a year for each &#8220;Status Indian&#8221; in Canada.  Yet poverty and dis-function continues on our reserves.  I have a colleague at work who was married to a status Indian, her response to me asking if she felt she got fifty grand&#8217;s worth of value from them was rather pungent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2020 03:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the &quot;state&quot; as a construct is part of the problem; sure, it enables a lot, but does it benefit the majority of us?

It&#039;s an unhealthy thing, our obsession with the holy &quot;state&quot;. If you look back on the last two centuries the &quot;state&quot; has killed more human beings than the damn plague, but we still worship at its altars around the world. Why?

I would suggest that the smart thing to do is to simply opt out of the entire shambolic enterprise, and find a better way to do things. Once enough of us have grown up, that will no doubt happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;state&#8221; as a construct is part of the problem; sure, it enables a lot, but does it benefit the majority of us?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unhealthy thing, our obsession with the holy &#8220;state&#8221;. If you look back on the last two centuries the &#8220;state&#8221; has killed more human beings than the damn plague, but we still worship at its altars around the world. Why?</p>
<p>I would suggest that the smart thing to do is to simply opt out of the entire shambolic enterprise, and find a better way to do things. Once enough of us have grown up, that will no doubt happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2020 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Kirk and Lucklucky. 

The guiding philosophy should be &quot;Just because you can doesn&#039;t mean you should.&quot;

The State should be &#039;able&#039;, but mostly refrain from interfering in the lives of citizens. I like the negative freedoms guidelines of the Bill of Rights that draw a containment around the State. Of course, the containment has long since been breached.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kirk and Lucklucky. </p>
<p>The guiding philosophy should be &#8220;Just because you can doesn&#8217;t mean you should.&#8221;</p>
<p>The State should be &#8216;able&#8217;, but mostly refrain from interfering in the lives of citizens. I like the negative freedoms guidelines of the Bill of Rights that draw a containment around the State. Of course, the containment has long since been breached.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2020 20:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah... No. Just... No.

&quot;Strong&quot; states inevitably evolve into overreaching totalitarianism. Most of the ills you lay out result not from the &quot;failure&quot; of such states, but from the essentially uneradicable nature of these problems that they try to address. And, the cycle is always &quot;Oh, we can&#039;t fix that with the power we have now, give us more...&quot;. Inevitably, the power accrued gets to the point where the tail wags the dog, and we have the ossified overly powerful bureaucracies that create things like the homeless &quot;crisis&quot; in our major cities.

Here&#039;s a news flash for anyone in government: You grant power to something, some agency, some position, and you&#039;ve just created a honey pot for human scum that will seek to use that power for their own ends and to their own benefit. The only answer to this problem is not to have those power sinks in the first place.

Civilization falls not because those civilizations failed to grant sufficient power to its internal organs, but because they do, and the people who wind up running those organs are besotted with their own self-imagined wisdom and then proceed to conduct themselves and the affairs of those organs as though they are all-knowing and all-seeing, Jovian in their wisdom.

Reality is, no human being is capable of such. Best not to allow such power sinks to accrue, keep things small, and let shit happen, because when you try to stop an avalanche, all you&#039;re really doing is putting off the day that it comes down on you, allowing it to sit there and gain more energy.

The best solution is to dance on the edge of the falling avalanche, ensuring that you remain on top of it all. Trying to stop it is a fool&#039;s game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; No. Just&#8230; No.</p>
<p>&#8220;Strong&#8221; states inevitably evolve into overreaching totalitarianism. Most of the ills you lay out result not from the &#8220;failure&#8221; of such states, but from the essentially uneradicable nature of these problems that they try to address. And, the cycle is always &#8220;Oh, we can&#8217;t fix that with the power we have now, give us more&#8230;&#8221;. Inevitably, the power accrued gets to the point where the tail wags the dog, and we have the ossified overly powerful bureaucracies that create things like the homeless &#8220;crisis&#8221; in our major cities.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a news flash for anyone in government: You grant power to something, some agency, some position, and you&#8217;ve just created a honey pot for human scum that will seek to use that power for their own ends and to their own benefit. The only answer to this problem is not to have those power sinks in the first place.</p>
<p>Civilization falls not because those civilizations failed to grant sufficient power to its internal organs, but because they do, and the people who wind up running those organs are besotted with their own self-imagined wisdom and then proceed to conduct themselves and the affairs of those organs as though they are all-knowing and all-seeing, Jovian in their wisdom.</p>
<p>Reality is, no human being is capable of such. Best not to allow such power sinks to accrue, keep things small, and let shit happen, because when you try to stop an avalanche, all you&#8217;re really doing is putting off the day that it comes down on you, allowing it to sit there and gain more energy.</p>
<p>The best solution is to dance on the edge of the falling avalanche, ensuring that you remain on top of it all. Trying to stop it is a fool&#8217;s game.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2020 18:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree. Coercion is not being free. Politicization of everything, which means coercion of everything, is not being free.

He obviously can&#039;t call Denmark &quot;free&quot;. A Free society is where a person can choose his own level of relation with state outside a small core that always will be coercive. 

The biggest problem we have is that is impossible with current political framework to draw down the intensity of political process. Military budgets change a lot from peace to war. Why political process does no have mechanism to draw down the politics if the needs are less? For example, non-political participation should be represented as empty seats in Parliaments. He risks vouching for the Managerial State.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. Coercion is not being free. Politicization of everything, which means coercion of everything, is not being free.</p>
<p>He obviously can&#8217;t call Denmark &#8220;free&#8221;. A Free society is where a person can choose his own level of relation with state outside a small core that always will be coercive. </p>
<p>The biggest problem we have is that is impossible with current political framework to draw down the intensity of political process. Military budgets change a lot from peace to war. Why political process does no have mechanism to draw down the politics if the needs are less? For example, non-political participation should be represented as empty seats in Parliaments. He risks vouching for the Managerial State.</p>
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