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	<title>Comments on: Two qualifying events in 340 years is a 0.5882% annual chance of nationwide violent revolution against the ruling government</title>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/12/two-qualifying-events-in-340-years-is-a-0-5882-annual-chance-of-nationwide-violent-revolution-against-the-ruling-government/comment-page-1/#comment-3022752</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve mentioned Glubb &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/?s=Glubb&quot;&gt;quite a bit&lt;/a&gt; here, too, including this &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.isegoria.net/2014/07/summary-of-the-fate-of-empires/&quot;&gt;summary&lt;/a&gt; of The Fate of Empires.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned Glubb <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/?s=Glubb">quite a bit</a> here, too, including this <a href="https://www.isegoria.net/2014/07/summary-of-the-fate-of-empires/">summary</a> of The Fate of Empires.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans G. Schantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans G. Schantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The odds are probably worse than that, because we&#039;re near the collapse end of a cycle of empire. Lector at &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.menofthewest.net/decline-and-fall-of-the-united-states/&quot;&gt;Men of the West&lt;/a&gt; has a nice write-up, summarizing ideas from The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival by Sir John Glubb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odds are probably worse than that, because we&#8217;re near the collapse end of a cycle of empire. Lector at <a href="https://www.menofthewest.net/decline-and-fall-of-the-united-states/">Men of the West</a> has a nice write-up, summarizing ideas from The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival by Sir John Glubb.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IIRC a little bit of war on the Alaska Territory too, plus there was a bit of war across US borders in the SW during the Mexican revolution, resulting in Pershing&#039;s expedition.

Not a lot in those examples, mind you, but also affecting US citizens and, in the 1916 case, in members of the Union.

Still, the US has done well by luck and its own efforts to keep it to the margins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC a little bit of war on the Alaska Territory too, plus there was a bit of war across US borders in the SW during the Mexican revolution, resulting in Pershing&#8217;s expedition.</p>
<p>Not a lot in those examples, mind you, but also affecting US citizens and, in the 1916 case, in members of the Union.</p>
<p>Still, the US has done well by luck and its own efforts to keep it to the margins.</p>
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		<title>By: TRX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell that to Hawaii.

They were a territory instead of a state, but they were still American citizens on US passports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to Hawaii.</p>
<p>They were a territory instead of a state, but they were still American citizens on US passports.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu An Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lu An Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One reason for America being such a success story is no war on American territory in 150 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason for America being such a success story is no war on American territory in 150 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With continent-spanning empires you have to qualify these things- you might only have two that divide the entire entity-as-it-is and affect most of the population, but there were many more localized violent outbursts that had major impact on the people of that region.

There were probably regions -meaning here already settled by Europeans- of the 13 colonies and of the then-US that not only saw no fighting in either the revolution or civil war, but saw little disruption to their way of life. Maybe even no one went off to war, although that would narrow it down. Whereas those same regions might have been torn up by some local intercolonial war or land dispute and seen villages burn and families killed off. Or Indian war with the same effect.

Same goes for other large continent-states like ancient Rome, various Chinese and Indian empires. Some people in some areas might have to go to the mattresses while others, under the same broad political umbrella, experience little to nothing.

Alternatively, there&#039;s the overthrow of the state at the center that, from time to time, happens without too much disruption even in other cities, let alone the provinces. I&#039;m not sure America is set up to allow that, but maybe. It&#039;s happened in other systems often enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With continent-spanning empires you have to qualify these things- you might only have two that divide the entire entity-as-it-is and affect most of the population, but there were many more localized violent outbursts that had major impact on the people of that region.</p>
<p>There were probably regions -meaning here already settled by Europeans- of the 13 colonies and of the then-US that not only saw no fighting in either the revolution or civil war, but saw little disruption to their way of life. Maybe even no one went off to war, although that would narrow it down. Whereas those same regions might have been torn up by some local intercolonial war or land dispute and seen villages burn and families killed off. Or Indian war with the same effect.</p>
<p>Same goes for other large continent-states like ancient Rome, various Chinese and Indian empires. Some people in some areas might have to go to the mattresses while others, under the same broad political umbrella, experience little to nothing.</p>
<p>Alternatively, there&#8217;s the overthrow of the state at the center that, from time to time, happens without too much disruption even in other cities, let alone the provinces. I&#8217;m not sure America is set up to allow that, but maybe. It&#8217;s happened in other systems often enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Bomag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bomag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And how do we count uprisings?

Aaron Burr had a thing going on.

Andrew Jackson was kind-of a thing:  ramping up the Indian wars into an existential struggle.

The Progressive era that gave us suffrage and prohibition.

FDR?

The sixties...

Mainstreaming of gay marriage, transgenderism.

_________________

Maybe not a direct gov&#039;t overthrow, but they significantly changed the mission of gov&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how do we count uprisings?</p>
<p>Aaron Burr had a thing going on.</p>
<p>Andrew Jackson was kind-of a thing:  ramping up the Indian wars into an existential struggle.</p>
<p>The Progressive era that gave us suffrage and prohibition.</p>
<p>FDR?</p>
<p>The sixties&#8230;</p>
<p>Mainstreaming of gay marriage, transgenderism.</p>
<p>_________________</p>
<p>Maybe not a direct gov&#8217;t overthrow, but they significantly changed the mission of gov&#8217;t.</p>
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