Never fight a war you’re not willing to see through to victory.

It’s all immaterial, though. I just came back from a few weeks in ‘Nam. Not my first trip either. Trust me, the US won. The war was winnable and we won it. You can argue tactics all day long, but the strategic victory is certain.

Every Viet Nam era vet should hop a plane to Hanoi and see what I mean.

Evacuation a great success rather than what is portrayed by the media. Goal was to evacuate 5,000 persons at most but 150K were gotten out. Remarkable process, from the land to the sea and under pressure.

This is completely and utterly clueless.

From Pournelle

https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/paris-accords-and-climate-change-us-military-suicide-warming-covfefe/

“And in Viet Nam the North sent 150,000 men south with as much armor as the Wehrmacht had in many WW II engagements. That was in 1973, and of that 150,000 fewer than 50,000 men and no armor returned to the North, at a cost of under 1,000 American casualties. Most would count that an outstanding victory. (Alas, in 1975 North Viet Nam had another army of over 100,000 and sent it South; the Democratic Congress voted our South Vietnamese 20 cartridges and 2 hand grenades per man, but refused naval and air support; Saigon predictably became Ho Chi Minh city as we pushed helicopters off the decks of out carriers in our frantic evacuation; but that is hardly the fault of the US military)…”

The Democrat party said the war was unwinnable and when they got in power they made damn sure it fell. They cut off, for all practicable purposes, all military aid to the South while it was under a massive, massive attack with tanks and massive troops and trucks from the North.

What is left unsaid is the wider area WINS due to the Vietnam war. While fighting the commies in Vietnam insurgent warfare was going on all over Asia. The US held them off in Vietnam while many of these were squashed. The Vietnam war was a great victory for many countries in South East Asia that did NOT end up like Cambodia. The Vietnam war was a huge success and a win over all for the free world.

As for the rest of what Bob Sykes says he’s absolutely right. The Jews run this country and they will use our military down to the last Man and machine to defend their interest and pocketbooks.

Yes, and WWIII might have been one. Or maybe South Vietnam would be as free and prosperous today as South Korea. Beats me.

I don’t think Hanoi would have abandoned the Trail, but with the harbors mined and weapons only coming down the Red River to Hanoi and smuggling through the Mekong, chunks of it would have moved, other chunks dug in and forted up.

You also have to recognize that the Ho Chi Minh Trail was a major logistics effort; abandoning it and building a new one would have only exacerbated the entire problem, and hastened the demise of both the Communist Chinese and the Soviets.

Frankly, I have to evaluate the whole thing as a lost opportunity; we might have managed to bankrupt them both, with entirely unknowable consequences down the road. Imagine the Berlin Wall coming down in the late 1970s, vice 1989. The world would have been so much better off.

And, thank a Democrat for that result. We expended 50,000-odd American lives, and got only a fraction of the benefit we could have from those sacrifices.

Had the US simply adhered to the treaty obligations, and then demanded that North Vietnam did the same, so many millions would have had better lives in that alternate future. Certainly, all the human talent we skimmed off the top of the Vietnam boat people exodus would have been there in Vietnam, working for the benefit of that entire country. Whole thing is just an epic lost opportunity–The Communist interregnum could have been drastically shortened, and without the tradeoff we made with the Chinese Communists. Had we suckered them into coming into the death ground, and then destroyed all that they sent…? Bankruptcy would have drastically shortened their reign.

You are right about the twaddle about virtuous Viet Cong guerillas.

The US aerial and artillery massacres remain the best case against the US effort in Vietnam.

The trouble was, we did not do the things that made sense until Nixon came in, and once he did that, he got the North Vietnamese to the negotiating table. Frankly, after Tet, the VC/NVA in the South were a dead issue; that ill-advised campaign killed most of them off, and turned the general opinion in the South against them, after all the massacres.

One would do well to look long and hard at the “conventional wisdom”, which is actually the result of long-term propaganda. Most people don’t know about the ’73 battles, or that South Vietnam fell to a conventional invasion from the North–All they remember is the lie that we lost to a virtuous guerrilla force, which is pretty much a bald-faced fraud.

Hmm…

Maybe this should be general-industrialists.

Both military-industrialism and cultural-financialism are monstrous systems. Military-industrialism was thoroughly subjugated by cultural-financialism. I wonder what will put the latter out of its misery, if ever.

And he doesn’t mention the US artillery and aerial massacres that killed even more innocent people than the evil left national socialism we were fighting. Which was a high bar.