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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/11/we-carried-nothing-that-made-any-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-3016633</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2019 02:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is fairly long. I enjoy this sort of stuff so...

The general idea was he joined because he thought he was going to be drafted anyways. While he was in he went for any and all training he could and went airborne. When he got to Nam he was in a line company for a while and he said it scared him to death because they were a huge lumbering, noisy beast. So he joined, or was sort of volunteered, for the LRRPs. They started as recon but as the war moved on they realized they could get some serious body counts by being kill teams with helicopter gunship back up. They would roam around and find someone to attack or ambush and hopefully survive by calling in gunships. Very hairy shit that.

He has some great stories. Like the Captain, who had no fear at all, he had to follow because he carried the radio. The 105mm booby trap he set off. The time they were chased until dark by a huge mass of Men. Great stories. If you are so inclined you could skip to the parts where he gets to Vietnam but I enjoyed his whole story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fairly long. I enjoy this sort of stuff so&#8230;</p>
<p>The general idea was he joined because he thought he was going to be drafted anyways. While he was in he went for any and all training he could and went airborne. When he got to Nam he was in a line company for a while and he said it scared him to death because they were a huge lumbering, noisy beast. So he joined, or was sort of volunteered, for the LRRPs. They started as recon but as the war moved on they realized they could get some serious body counts by being kill teams with helicopter gunship back up. They would roam around and find someone to attack or ambush and hopefully survive by calling in gunships. Very hairy shit that.</p>
<p>He has some great stories. Like the Captain, who had no fear at all, he had to follow because he carried the radio. The 105mm booby trap he set off. The time they were chased until dark by a huge mass of Men. Great stories. If you are so inclined you could skip to the parts where he gets to Vietnam but I enjoyed his whole story.</p>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2019 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam, want to provide a reasonable summary for someone without two hours to dedicate to this guy&#039;s rambling?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, want to provide a reasonable summary for someone without two hours to dedicate to this guy&#8217;s rambling?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/11/we-carried-nothing-that-made-any-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-3016319</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2019 07:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a really good interview of a guy who was a LRRP that morphed in hunter killer team member as the war carried on in Vietnam. Part of series chronicling Vets experiences for history. I watched quite a few of these but O&#039;Connor&#039;s stands out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdUpzpIjJLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q88wSZAWtgE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a really good interview of a guy who was a LRRP that morphed in hunter killer team member as the war carried on in Vietnam. Part of series chronicling Vets experiences for history. I watched quite a few of these but O&#8217;Connor&#8217;s stands out.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdUpzpIjJLg" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdUpzpIjJLg</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q88wSZAWtgE" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q88wSZAWtgE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s astounding what there is that we&#039;ve forgotten, or which was never &quot;known&quot; to the people engaged in preserving the information for future use.

To a degree, I think that the real story of history is never, ever recorded--Mostly because those that do, do not write, and those that write, do not do. It&#039;s a rare man who is engaged in things, and who has the temperament to analyze, record, and preserve the facts of a situation or an organization.

I think that we&#039;ve missed out on an entire discipline, akin to anthropology, one that addresses things like organization and &quot;how things are done&quot;. There are some academics who study these things, but there&#039;s no overall appreciation for the realities that go on around us, even down at the lowest, most simplistic levels.

And, because we don&#039;t study these things, we&#039;re not very good at them, and we don&#039;t have a proper framework to evaluate things. It&#039;s all informal &quot;folk-wisdom&quot; and &quot;common sense&quot;, which is so damn rare as to be something which really should be classified as a legitimate super-power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s astounding what there is that we&#8217;ve forgotten, or which was never &#8220;known&#8221; to the people engaged in preserving the information for future use.</p>
<p>To a degree, I think that the real story of history is never, ever recorded&#8211;Mostly because those that do, do not write, and those that write, do not do. It&#8217;s a rare man who is engaged in things, and who has the temperament to analyze, record, and preserve the facts of a situation or an organization.</p>
<p>I think that we&#8217;ve missed out on an entire discipline, akin to anthropology, one that addresses things like organization and &#8220;how things are done&#8221;. There are some academics who study these things, but there&#8217;s no overall appreciation for the realities that go on around us, even down at the lowest, most simplistic levels.</p>
<p>And, because we don&#8217;t study these things, we&#8217;re not very good at them, and we don&#8217;t have a proper framework to evaluate things. It&#8217;s all informal &#8220;folk-wisdom&#8221; and &#8220;common sense&#8221;, which is so damn rare as to be something which really should be classified as a legitimate super-power.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was a teenager, I came across a paper about lessons learned in Korea by the Canadian Army, including such esoterica as the best way to throw hand grenades uphill.  This was gathering dust in a library and not in any way shape or form part of the the current military doctrine.

I have had the same conversation with Kirk on several forums about the lessons in mine proofed vehicles in Africa vs, the stubborn ignorance of same in the west.  SIGH....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a teenager, I came across a paper about lessons learned in Korea by the Canadian Army, including such esoterica as the best way to throw hand grenades uphill.  This was gathering dust in a library and not in any way shape or form part of the the current military doctrine.</p>
<p>I have had the same conversation with Kirk on several forums about the lessons in mine proofed vehicles in Africa vs, the stubborn ignorance of same in the west.  SIGH&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Adar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noise as made by helicopter insertion too a problem. Measures as taken to fool the enemy I think only marginally successful.

SOG missions most of which betrayed by a South Vietnamese officer who worked for the NVA. Gave away a lot. Even when success rate of SOG missions poor the operations continued. A poor way to do things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noise as made by helicopter insertion too a problem. Measures as taken to fool the enemy I think only marginally successful.</p>
<p>SOG missions most of which betrayed by a South Vietnamese officer who worked for the NVA. Gave away a lot. Even when success rate of SOG missions poor the operations continued. A poor way to do things.</p>
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		<title>By: X-Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>X-Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2019 15:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fortunately not many tunnels in northern I Corps. We didn’t carry masks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately not many tunnels in northern I Corps. We didn’t carry masks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ivvenalis,

They had to. The extensive use of tear gas (CN) in both powder and gas form necessitated them having them on hand. The agents were used mainly in tunnel warfare, and the guys on missions where they were going into VC or NVA base camp areas had to be prepared to deal with interdicting those, which meant... Protective masks. There were two main ways they&#039;d do it, one of which was a powder that would get dumped into the tunnels, and the other would be either grenades thrown in ventilation shafts or, on some occasions, pumped in using special gasoline-powered combustors for the same form of CN they&#039;d use in confidence training in gas chambers. You&#039;d find the tunnel network&#039;s ventilation shafts, and then pump the stuff in until the VC or NVA came out. Which was why the tunnels came with sumps, water chambers, and all sorts of other interesting features.

There&#039;s a Rand Report out there that details all the sophisticated crap the enemy was doing with the tunnels, and some of it was just... Nuts. The poor bastards who had to do tunnel rat duty were some really brave and unfortunate souls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivvenalis,</p>
<p>They had to. The extensive use of tear gas (CN) in both powder and gas form necessitated them having them on hand. The agents were used mainly in tunnel warfare, and the guys on missions where they were going into VC or NVA base camp areas had to be prepared to deal with interdicting those, which meant&#8230; Protective masks. There were two main ways they&#8217;d do it, one of which was a powder that would get dumped into the tunnels, and the other would be either grenades thrown in ventilation shafts or, on some occasions, pumped in using special gasoline-powered combustors for the same form of CN they&#8217;d use in confidence training in gas chambers. You&#8217;d find the tunnel network&#8217;s ventilation shafts, and then pump the stuff in until the VC or NVA came out. Which was why the tunnels came with sumps, water chambers, and all sorts of other interesting features.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a Rand Report out there that details all the sophisticated crap the enemy was doing with the tunnels, and some of it was just&#8230; Nuts. The poor bastards who had to do tunnel rat duty were some really brave and unfortunate souls.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivvenalis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivvenalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2019 04:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh, I didn&#039;t think soldiers in Vietnam made a habit of carrying gas masks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, I didn&#8217;t think soldiers in Vietnam made a habit of carrying gas masks.</p>
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		<title>By: Slovenian Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slovenian Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or YouTube links for the same podcasts:
180 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNyo7DZ0QBY
181 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CnmUAneAxA
182 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xjwJHzwRTo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or YouTube links for the same podcasts:<br />
180 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNyo7DZ0QBY" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNyo7DZ0QBY</a><br />
181 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CnmUAneAxA" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CnmUAneAxA</a><br />
182 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xjwJHzwRTo" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xjwJHzwRTo</a></p>
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