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	<title>Comments on: When a discipline begins it is not really recognized as an independent discipline at all</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a restatement of Pournell’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy. Well stated, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a restatement of Pournell’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy. Well stated, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Aretae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aretae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2019 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this under dispute?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this under dispute?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Credentialism has ravaged American thought.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Profound insight, that... And, what I&#039;ve been saying for years.

Same thing with MBA degrees. Everything the modern academy touches turns to shiite in short order, and it&#039;s consistent enough that I&#039;d term it a truism.

You can observe the same syndromic life cycle in every institution out there--The early days are dynamic, effective, and manage to accomplish things. After a bit, dependent on the field and its significance, things are &quot;systematized&quot;, and start to attract the intellectual parasites and credential-happy careerists. Followed shortly thereafter by stagnation, utter BS, and a failure cycle that goes on until the field is discredited or something forces a renewal, whereupon someone revitalizes it and the same thing happens over and over again.

The root of this problem isn&#039;t the brilliant lights that initiate these things, it&#039;s the careerist parasites that come after them. Those sorts are never there during the hard days of establishing a field, but as soon as they identify that this new field is a potential goldmine of influence and status, they glom onto it like the vampiric nightmares that they are.

This is a universal truism, applicable to anything from the local knitting club to the Pentagon. It&#039;s a glitch in human nature that we&#039;re essentially unable to identify and deal with these inimical parasites among us who ruin everything they touch.

This is also a reason why I say that human beings are really bad at organization. Every institution we&#039;ve created goes through this life-cycle of initiation, decay, and renewal (if we&#039;re lucky...), which we&#039;ve somehow managed to make institutional in everything we do. It&#039;s the bureaucratic impulse, the careerist path, and a seemingly unavoidable side-effect of what we do as human beings. Whole thing is insane, on the outside of it all, and avoiding it something we seem to be unable to accomplish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Credentialism has ravaged American thought.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Profound insight, that&#8230; And, what I&#8217;ve been saying for years.</p>
<p>Same thing with MBA degrees. Everything the modern academy touches turns to shiite in short order, and it&#8217;s consistent enough that I&#8217;d term it a truism.</p>
<p>You can observe the same syndromic life cycle in every institution out there&#8211;The early days are dynamic, effective, and manage to accomplish things. After a bit, dependent on the field and its significance, things are &#8220;systematized&#8221;, and start to attract the intellectual parasites and credential-happy careerists. Followed shortly thereafter by stagnation, utter BS, and a failure cycle that goes on until the field is discredited or something forces a renewal, whereupon someone revitalizes it and the same thing happens over and over again.</p>
<p>The root of this problem isn&#8217;t the brilliant lights that initiate these things, it&#8217;s the careerist parasites that come after them. Those sorts are never there during the hard days of establishing a field, but as soon as they identify that this new field is a potential goldmine of influence and status, they glom onto it like the vampiric nightmares that they are.</p>
<p>This is a universal truism, applicable to anything from the local knitting club to the Pentagon. It&#8217;s a glitch in human nature that we&#8217;re essentially unable to identify and deal with these inimical parasites among us who ruin everything they touch.</p>
<p>This is also a reason why I say that human beings are really bad at organization. Every institution we&#8217;ve created goes through this life-cycle of initiation, decay, and renewal (if we&#8217;re lucky&#8230;), which we&#8217;ve somehow managed to make institutional in everything we do. It&#8217;s the bureaucratic impulse, the careerist path, and a seemingly unavoidable side-effect of what we do as human beings. Whole thing is insane, on the outside of it all, and avoiding it something we seem to be unable to accomplish.</p>
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