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	<title>Comments on: America is losing its grip</title>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/07/america-is-losing-its-grip/comment-page-1/#comment-2955594</link>
		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2019 01:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Climbers have intense grip strength and muscle density generally. Pass on the squeezey things; hang from a bar.

Early physical activity doesn’t just affect the muscles; it strongly influences bone characteristics as well. Unstructured childhood rough-and-tumble play being literally necessary for military-grade bone density is just the tip of the iceberg.

That the boys play Cowboys and Indians is a matter of national security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climbers have intense grip strength and muscle density generally. Pass on the squeezey things; hang from a bar.</p>
<p>Early physical activity doesn’t just affect the muscles; it strongly influences bone characteristics as well. Unstructured childhood rough-and-tumble play being literally necessary for military-grade bone density is just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>That the boys play Cowboys and Indians is a matter of national security.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess we&#039;re in good shape now that three commenters have already, one way or another, highlighted the problem of correlation not equaling causation here.

It did make me want to go and get a dynamometer, though.  

Less a marker of any individual&#039;s mortality, and more just a marker of our slow transition into Eloi. Finally I&#039;m a trend leader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;re in good shape now that three commenters have already, one way or another, highlighted the problem of correlation not equaling causation here.</p>
<p>It did make me want to go and get a dynamometer, though.  </p>
<p>Less a marker of any individual&#8217;s mortality, and more just a marker of our slow transition into Eloi. Finally I&#8217;m a trend leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For grown men, this graph looks like a mortality graph, leading by 10 or 20 years. In women, it looks less so. That is, men start croaking at, what, 60 to 70? And this graph&#039;s value takes a dive at 50. So grip strength predicts age, which predicts death.

Now, if you want to use grip strength to predict mortality, then you&#039;d compare your subject to the grip strengths of his age-cohorts, not to age-cohorts of a few decades ago. Lifestyle changes, as Wang Wei Lin points out.

I wonder whether you could use some kind of small-motor-skill measure on women.

I wonder whether you could use some kind of get-out-of-chair measure on both sexes. Like how long it takes to get out of a chair, go around it, and sit down again. 3 times. Make the chair somewhat unstable. On rollers and leaning back, for instance. And the person in socks. On a slippery floor. ... ... ... Um. 15 seconds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For grown men, this graph looks like a mortality graph, leading by 10 or 20 years. In women, it looks less so. That is, men start croaking at, what, 60 to 70? And this graph&#8217;s value takes a dive at 50. So grip strength predicts age, which predicts death.</p>
<p>Now, if you want to use grip strength to predict mortality, then you&#8217;d compare your subject to the grip strengths of his age-cohorts, not to age-cohorts of a few decades ago. Lifestyle changes, as Wang Wei Lin points out.</p>
<p>I wonder whether you could use some kind of small-motor-skill measure on women.</p>
<p>I wonder whether you could use some kind of get-out-of-chair measure on both sexes. Like how long it takes to get out of a chair, go around it, and sit down again. 3 times. Make the chair somewhat unstable. On rollers and leaning back, for instance. And the person in socks. On a slippery floor. &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; Um. 15 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/07/america-is-losing-its-grip/comment-page-1/#comment-2944142</link>
		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Modern society has less manual labor thus lower grip strength. Growing up most of us older people did manual work like push mowing, automotive repairs, construction as opposed to playing with keyboards and touch surfaces. The study if anything is a snapshot of the change in labor. As a health indicator the metrics will have to move the bell curve left to reflect the younger generation&#039;s limp grip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern society has less manual labor thus lower grip strength. Growing up most of us older people did manual work like push mowing, automotive repairs, construction as opposed to playing with keyboards and touch surfaces. The study if anything is a snapshot of the change in labor. As a health indicator the metrics will have to move the bell curve left to reflect the younger generation&#8217;s limp grip.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, if lots of people take to specifically training their grip strength, its correlation with overall health will decrease.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if lots of people take to specifically training their grip strength, its correlation with overall health will decrease.</p>
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