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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/06/getting-under-weigh-at-the-coach-office/comment-page-1/#comment-2870785</link>
		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2019 20:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lucklucky,

I have to say, I’ve disliked that label, “Marxist”, since I discovered that Boomercons and libertarians are apt to so characterize everything even vaguely not slobbering on the corporate knob. I found it especially interesting to read the same (source) Marxist literature before and after I’d successfully purged myself of all latent libertardianism. Experientially, it was hardly even the same thing. This leads me to believe that most identified instances of Marxism are not actually Marxism, though what they are exactly I’m afraid I cannot say.

Perhaps it’s the tendency to describe things in ideological terms that’s the problem. The simple fact is that ideology is for the mindless cattle. Interests make the world go round... which is why there are interest groups. Who ever heard of an &lt;i&gt;ideology group&lt;/i&gt;? — it’s absurd.

If you’re wondering why there seems to be so much budding social totalitarianism afoot, then I dare say look to the global interests of the social engineers. With a deadline of 2030, they have bodily launched us into the throes of this transformation, which must take place. The world is not going to be the free societies that they were in the last century. We are now going into a totalitarian mode and the social engineers will be resented because of their leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, the world will not survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucklucky,</p>
<p>I have to say, I’ve disliked that label, “Marxist”, since I discovered that Boomercons and libertarians are apt to so characterize everything even vaguely not slobbering on the corporate knob. I found it especially interesting to read the same (source) Marxist literature before and after I’d successfully purged myself of all latent libertardianism. Experientially, it was hardly even the same thing. This leads me to believe that most identified instances of Marxism are not actually Marxism, though what they are exactly I’m afraid I cannot say.</p>
<p>Perhaps it’s the tendency to describe things in ideological terms that’s the problem. The simple fact is that ideology is for the mindless cattle. Interests make the world go round&#8230; which is why there are interest groups. Who ever heard of an <i>ideology group</i>? — it’s absurd.</p>
<p>If you’re wondering why there seems to be so much budding social totalitarianism afoot, then I dare say look to the global interests of the social engineers. With a deadline of 2030, they have bodily launched us into the throes of this transformation, which must take place. The world is not going to be the free societies that they were in the last century. We are now going into a totalitarian mode and the social engineers will be resented because of their leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, the world will not survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/06/getting-under-weigh-at-the-coach-office/comment-page-1/#comment-2854145</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to make a distinction between liberal, meaning either classical liberal, or some variation of centre left liberalism as I knew it 30 years ago in a North American context, and progressive by which I mean all the centre-left to left Marxist-inflected stuff that has almost totally replaced it in the last generation, and now dominates everyone&#039;s thought patterns.

In this case, though, I meant to describe the colleague specifically, and his general demeanour compared to my own. 

He strikes me as a vaguely conservative libertarian type with Alex Keaton qualities, and a fairly high level of disdain for the Marxist stuff, weakened by his focus on conservative issues a generation old, by an inclination to social liberalism, and a lack of noticing the prevalence of Marxist thinking and speaking. It&#039;s a very common political and personality type right now, and a problem.

He also seems more liberal minded than me in the sense of having a spirit of openness and generosity in public matters that is not mine, not any more. I limit those traits to my interpersonal relations. 

That and, as I said, he is probably not willing to take pleasure in, let alone joyfully anticipate, the immolation of progressive &#039;civilization&#039;.

But on the larger issue of how to characterize the modern left, I agree entirely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to make a distinction between liberal, meaning either classical liberal, or some variation of centre left liberalism as I knew it 30 years ago in a North American context, and progressive by which I mean all the centre-left to left Marxist-inflected stuff that has almost totally replaced it in the last generation, and now dominates everyone&#8217;s thought patterns.</p>
<p>In this case, though, I meant to describe the colleague specifically, and his general demeanour compared to my own. </p>
<p>He strikes me as a vaguely conservative libertarian type with Alex Keaton qualities, and a fairly high level of disdain for the Marxist stuff, weakened by his focus on conservative issues a generation old, by an inclination to social liberalism, and a lack of noticing the prevalence of Marxist thinking and speaking. It&#8217;s a very common political and personality type right now, and a problem.</p>
<p>He also seems more liberal minded than me in the sense of having a spirit of openness and generosity in public matters that is not mine, not any more. I limit those traits to my interpersonal relations. </p>
<p>That and, as I said, he is probably not willing to take pleasure in, let alone joyfully anticipate, the immolation of progressive &#8216;civilization&#8217;.</p>
<p>But on the larger issue of how to characterize the modern left, I agree entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2019 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Curiously, just this afternoon a colleague troubled my repose by asking for my take on the modern use of gender. He seems to me more liberal minded than me in general but more befuddled by the pace of cultural manipulation. I imagine he has not yet reached the level of willingness I have to just watch the course of events with a side of relish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is about time that Anglo-Saxons should stop calling &quot;liberals&quot; people that are Marxists and want to control everything of other people lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Curiously, just this afternoon a colleague troubled my repose by asking for my take on the modern use of gender. He seems to me more liberal minded than me in general but more befuddled by the pace of cultural manipulation. I imagine he has not yet reached the level of willingness I have to just watch the course of events with a side of relish.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is about time that Anglo-Saxons should stop calling &#8220;liberals&#8221; people that are Marxists and want to control everything of other people lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2019 02:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you enjoy looking for the origin of such phrases, you can find many more to research in &quot;A Sea of Words&quot;, which provides definitions of a range of terms used in the Patrick O&#039;Brian Aubrey-Maturin novels. Some are sea terms, others medical, and still others terms from ordinary life, all from the period of the Nepoleonic wars. The problem presented to new readers by those novels are much the same as &quot;Two Years Before the Mast&quot;, only more so (as they might have said back then).

I was surprised to find the number of words and phrases in common use on land in those times that are absent from modern usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you enjoy looking for the origin of such phrases, you can find many more to research in &#8220;A Sea of Words&#8221;, which provides definitions of a range of terms used in the Patrick O&#8217;Brian Aubrey-Maturin novels. Some are sea terms, others medical, and still others terms from ordinary life, all from the period of the Nepoleonic wars. The problem presented to new readers by those novels are much the same as &#8220;Two Years Before the Mast&#8221;, only more so (as they might have said back then).</p>
<p>I was surprised to find the number of words and phrases in common use on land in those times that are absent from modern usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2019 00:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I literally saw that &lt;em&gt;Twilight Zone&lt;/em&gt; episode once, presumably when it first aired, and it stuck with me to this day.

It was written by &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockne_S._O%27Bannon&quot;&gt;Rockne S. O&#039;Bannon&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;O&#039;Bannon made his writing debut selling spec material to NBC&#039;s Amazing Stories (1985) and CBS&#039;s The Twilight Zone (1985), but first garnered critical attention for his film Alien Nation (1988) and its subsequent spinoff television show. His next notable achievement was his original series seaQuest DSV (1993) which ran for three seasons. O&#039;Bannon&#039;s most critically acclaimed success was the space epic Farscape on the Sci-Fi Channel (1999–2003) which ran for four seasons and spun off into a mini-series, and comic book series.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I literally saw that <em>Twilight Zone</em> episode once, presumably when it first aired, and it stuck with me to this day.</p>
<p>It was written by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockne_S._O%27Bannon">Rockne S. O&#8217;Bannon</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>O&#8217;Bannon made his writing debut selling spec material to NBC&#8217;s Amazing Stories (1985) and CBS&#8217;s The Twilight Zone (1985), but first garnered critical attention for his film Alien Nation (1988) and its subsequent spinoff television show. His next notable achievement was his original series seaQuest DSV (1993) which ran for three seasons. O&#8217;Bannon&#8217;s most critically acclaimed success was the space epic Farscape on the Sci-Fi Channel (1999–2003) which ran for four seasons and spun off into a mini-series, and comic book series.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2019 23:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curiously, just this afternoon a colleague troubled my repose by asking for my take on the modern use of gender. He seems to me more liberal minded than me in general but more befuddled by the pace of cultural manipulation. I imagine he has not yet reached the level of willingness I have to just watch the course of events with a side of relish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiously, just this afternoon a colleague troubled my repose by asking for my take on the modern use of gender. He seems to me more liberal minded than me in general but more befuddled by the pace of cultural manipulation. I imagine he has not yet reached the level of willingness I have to just watch the course of events with a side of relish.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2019 23:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never mind.

Searching for that other episode, I couldn&#039;t help noticing the description for Wordplay. That&#039;s the one all right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind.</p>
<p>Searching for that other episode, I couldn&#8217;t help noticing the description for Wordplay. That&#8217;s the one all right.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2019 23:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I admit I always thought it was linked to weigh anchor, which at least gave it an origin. Disconnected from that, the spelling makes no sense, right enough.

I&#039;m not going to click on that TZ link just yet. Please someone tell me if I&#039;m right in assuming that&#039;s the one where the poor benighted middle class father comes home from work and slowly he ceases to speak the same language as his family. Notably, the word &quot;lunch&quot; is early replaced by the word &quot;dinosaur&quot;.

If so, that is the one episode of that show that has sporadically haunted my dreams since it was aired 34 years ago, and one of only a few I really remember, though I didn&#039;t remember the title. It&#039;s relatively trivial when it&#039;s stuff like the meaning of &quot;weigh&quot; at stake. It&#039;s when the episode and its concluding narration are considered in light of weightier, dare I say Gramscian issues, that one is concerned.

For similar hints of the future, I recommend also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine_(The_Twilight_Zone)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithia_(The_Outer_Limits)

Those two episodes of different series kind of blurred in my head until now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit I always thought it was linked to weigh anchor, which at least gave it an origin. Disconnected from that, the spelling makes no sense, right enough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to click on that TZ link just yet. Please someone tell me if I&#8217;m right in assuming that&#8217;s the one where the poor benighted middle class father comes home from work and slowly he ceases to speak the same language as his family. Notably, the word &#8220;lunch&#8221; is early replaced by the word &#8220;dinosaur&#8221;.</p>
<p>If so, that is the one episode of that show that has sporadically haunted my dreams since it was aired 34 years ago, and one of only a few I really remember, though I didn&#8217;t remember the title. It&#8217;s relatively trivial when it&#8217;s stuff like the meaning of &#8220;weigh&#8221; at stake. It&#8217;s when the episode and its concluding narration are considered in light of weightier, dare I say Gramscian issues, that one is concerned.</p>
<p>For similar hints of the future, I recommend also</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine_(The_Twilight_Zone)" >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine_(The_Twilight_Zone)</a></p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithia_(The_Outer_Limits)" >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithia_(The_Outer_Limits)</a></p>
<p>Those two episodes of different series kind of blurred in my head until now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, thankyousoverymuch for making my nightmares come to life... I swear to God, I&#039;m about ready to go down and have myself checked out for a stroke, or something...

Things like this really throw you, because it&#039;s like having a bedrock assumption pulled out from beneath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thankyousoverymuch for making my nightmares come to life&#8230; I swear to God, I&#8217;m about ready to go down and have myself checked out for a stroke, or something&#8230;</p>
<p>Things like this really throw you, because it&#8217;s like having a bedrock assumption pulled out from beneath.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk, you need to watch “&lt;a href=&quot;https://youtu.be/r7_xNK49RTs&quot;&gt;Wordplay&lt;/a&gt;,” from the 1985 &lt;em&gt;Twilight Zone&lt;/em&gt; series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk, you need to watch “<a href="https://youtu.be/r7_xNK49RTs">Wordplay</a>,” from the 1985 <em>Twilight Zone</em> series.</p>
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