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	<title>Comments on: Average per-capita consumption rates of resources are about 32 times higher in the First World than in the developing world</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;“I&#039;m about 90% certain the whole thing was a scam”&lt;/em&gt;

Seems likely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“I&#8217;m about 90% certain the whole thing was a scam”</em></p>
<p>Seems likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s basically cargo-cult thinking: &quot;Those Americans are really successful and lead comfortable lives... If I can just get to America, I&#039;ll be able to be successful and lead a comfortable life...&quot;.

The reality, which is that that success and comfortable lifestyle is derived from what the &quot;Americans&quot; are doing, escapes them. So, they come here, recreate their home cultural conditions, and are then surprised by their failure and discomfort.

Flip side to that coin is the idiot Americans that think we have &quot;magic dirt&quot; that&#039;s somehow going to automatically infect these people coming here with the attributes that make America American...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s basically cargo-cult thinking: &#8220;Those Americans are really successful and lead comfortable lives&#8230; If I can just get to America, I&#8217;ll be able to be successful and lead a comfortable life&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>The reality, which is that that success and comfortable lifestyle is derived from what the &#8220;Americans&#8221; are doing, escapes them. So, they come here, recreate their home cultural conditions, and are then surprised by their failure and discomfort.</p>
<p>Flip side to that coin is the idiot Americans that think we have &#8220;magic dirt&#8221; that&#8217;s somehow going to automatically infect these people coming here with the attributes that make America American&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TRX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;“Many people in poor countries get frustrated and angry when they become aware of the comfortable lifestyles available elsewhere in the world.”&lt;/em&gt;

And the USA managed it in only a few hundred years.  Too bad the poor countries spent all their time killing each other or creating societies that didn&#039;t value enterprise or progress.

We not only did it ourselves, we actively try to show others how to do it, sending out advisors, missionaries, and money.  But noooo, that would be like &quot;work&quot;; better to just demand entry and get it all for free!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“Many people in poor countries get frustrated and angry when they become aware of the comfortable lifestyles available elsewhere in the world.”</em></p>
<p>And the USA managed it in only a few hundred years.  Too bad the poor countries spent all their time killing each other or creating societies that didn&#8217;t value enterprise or progress.</p>
<p>We not only did it ourselves, we actively try to show others how to do it, sending out advisors, missionaries, and money.  But noooo, that would be like &#8220;work&#8221;; better to just demand entry and get it all for free!</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juxtapose the date that the patents on R-12 ran out with the &quot;ban on CFCs&quot;, look at the sources of the money for that sweet little scam, and then look at the actual chemical characteristics of the stuff they replaced it with.

The CFC crisis had rather more to do with DuPont continuing to make money than anything else. The CFCs were not ideal things to be pumping into the atmosphere, but there are two things to look at: The toxicity and effect of their replacements, and how DuPont sold the plants making R-12 on to the Indians and Chinese. So far as I know, those plants are still churning out R-12; witness the latest &quot;scandal&quot; about how they are finding it in the Chinese industrial outgassing. Also, as a data point, when I was in Kuwait and procuring materials for 4 ID, one of the more surreal experiences was finding a Kuwaiti industrial supplier who had not just a few containers of it for sale, but several freakin&#039; acres of R-12, available and ready-to-go. Production dates all in the late 1990s and early 2000s, contemporaneous with my time in Kuwait.

Gentlemen, I can&#039;t prove it, but I&#039;m about 90% certain that that whole deal was a scam, start to finish. No doubt, something similar will be done when the current set of refrigerant patents run out, and DuPont needs to find another cash cow. The environmentalists got used, IMHO. Which is what they&#039;re there for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juxtapose the date that the patents on R-12 ran out with the &#8220;ban on CFCs&#8221;, look at the sources of the money for that sweet little scam, and then look at the actual chemical characteristics of the stuff they replaced it with.</p>
<p>The CFC crisis had rather more to do with DuPont continuing to make money than anything else. The CFCs were not ideal things to be pumping into the atmosphere, but there are two things to look at: The toxicity and effect of their replacements, and how DuPont sold the plants making R-12 on to the Indians and Chinese. So far as I know, those plants are still churning out R-12; witness the latest &#8220;scandal&#8221; about how they are finding it in the Chinese industrial outgassing. Also, as a data point, when I was in Kuwait and procuring materials for 4 ID, one of the more surreal experiences was finding a Kuwaiti industrial supplier who had not just a few containers of it for sale, but several freakin&#8217; acres of R-12, available and ready-to-go. Production dates all in the late 1990s and early 2000s, contemporaneous with my time in Kuwait.</p>
<p>Gentlemen, I can&#8217;t prove it, but I&#8217;m about 90% certain that that whole deal was a scam, start to finish. No doubt, something similar will be done when the current set of refrigerant patents run out, and DuPont needs to find another cash cow. The environmentalists got used, IMHO. Which is what they&#8217;re there for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/06/average-per-capita-consumption-rates-of-resources-are-about-32-times-higher-in-the-first-world-than-in-the-developing-world/comment-page-1/#comment-2863074</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;lab tests couldn’t reveal how CFCs, once they got into the atmosphere, would begin to destroy the ozone layer that protects us from ultraviolet radiation.&quot;

I remember that prediction very well. By the year 2010 the ozone layer will be destroyed and we will all have to wear space suits to go out-of-doors. Remember that date well, 2010.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;lab tests couldn’t reveal how CFCs, once they got into the atmosphere, would begin to destroy the ozone layer that protects us from ultraviolet radiation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember that prediction very well. By the year 2010 the ozone layer will be destroyed and we will all have to wear space suits to go out-of-doors. Remember that date well, 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 05:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What bullshit! The ocean ph on average is 8.1-- alkaline! Moving from 8.2 to 8.1 doesn&#039;t make it acidic, &lt;7.0. The term acidification is meaningless and useful only as propaganda. There&#039;s probably not enough carbon in the world to lower the ph below 7.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bullshit! The ocean ph on average is 8.1&#8211; alkaline! Moving from 8.2 to 8.1 doesn&#8217;t make it acidic, &lt;7.0. The term acidification is meaningless and useful only as propaganda. There&#039;s probably not enough carbon in the world to lower the ph below 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm, poor non-Islamic societies generate almost no anti-Western terrorism.

Even the really poor in Islamic societies don&#039;t generate much.

Historically middle-income-range Islamic countries with ballooning populations of actual poor and overproducing of educated middle class young men. Egypt and Saudi alone are the big suppliers. Even Iraq was an artificially created market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, poor non-Islamic societies generate almost no anti-Western terrorism.</p>
<p>Even the really poor in Islamic societies don&#8217;t generate much.</p>
<p>Historically middle-income-range Islamic countries with ballooning populations of actual poor and overproducing of educated middle class young men. Egypt and Saudi alone are the big suppliers. Even Iraq was an artificially created market.</p>
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