I read part of your comment to my wife. Her observation agrees with your point. She looks at the Black culture and notes families are heavily led by women and it’s not working.

Interesting. No idea. But I do remember that, “Our Germans [were] better than their Germans”. So you never know.

I think it was Mark Twain who wrote that “nature has given women so much power, the law has wisely given them little.”

It’s one reason I feel that men are inherently the weaker sex, in every regard besides physical strength and size. No willpower–You’ll never, ever hear of a reverse Lysistrata movement, although you’re seeing a bit of a beginning of one as more and more men tune out of a society that’s been warped to exploit them.

I laugh every time I hear about “the patriarchy”, because, frankly, no such thing could ever exist in the reality of any stable civilized society–Because the features that make for stable civilization militate against any such thing ever happening. What you see happening all through the West is the end state, where most men are transformed into sitzpinkler, all because they’re enslaved to their sexual gratification.

Friend of mine was in a particularly ‘effed up marriage, and his comment to me once was that if it wasn’t for the sex, his wife would have been dead and buried in the woods somewhere thirty years earlier.

Her comment on another occasion was on the same lines, but to the effect that if he wasn’t a good provider and “threw good kids…”, he’d have been in a hole of her digging around the same time.

Overall, toxic couple–With each other.

I think we’re really doing the relationships between the sexes entirely wrong, in ohsomanyways. We’ve gotten off on a wrong track, and its going to be the death of our civilization, if something else doesn’t get us before we get it fixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo

Funny how the division of labour actually looks the same as any traditional society, in terms of what work men and women typically perform. Curious, that.

The sexual and non-marital arrangements seem the only major variation.

On the whole, sounds sweet.

I had this very conversation the other day. While I am trad enough that I would like to have had and raised sons and daughters, albeit conscious it would have been an uphill battle, as I get older I can’t entirely condemn those men who just make their way through life in pursuit of pleasure at others’ financial expense and without accepting responsibility for any offspring. Genetically, pretty successful. Call it first tier masculine success. Actual fatherhood is better, but even so.

My colleague was rather taken aback at this sentiment from me.

At any rate, with the Mosuo, it seems to be the best of all worlds for those men.

There are reasons we don’t actually have many historical examples of matriarchies or other such structural absurdities: They don’t actually, y’know, work.

Women are, as a group, fundamentally irrational–Even to other women. What was that comment some comic made, about women not liking other women because they knew them from the inside? It’s not entirely untrue–The hormonal swings and other attendant BS that comes with being the childbearing sex makes for a whole bunch of psychological issues that tend to militate against rational consistent behavior. You put the average woman in charge of anything, and you can track the dysfunction in the organization up against the ups and downs of her menstrual cycle. God help you if you’re forced to deal with that, and then there are the bitchy little cliques that form around her as she builds her coterie of emasculated “yes men” and attendant mean girls.

Having seen the hellworlds that women create for themselves, I’m of the opinion that the only sane way to let them out into the real world would be to carefully select them against a standard of hormonal balance–”You have to be this stably sane to ride this ride…”. Either that, or we chemically castrate them so that they aren’t riding that hormonal roller-coaster. I’ve seen way too much damage done by the deranged women who’ve managed to wend their way into positions of power to ever say “Sure, let ‘em all in… They’ll do better than the boys…”.

Reality is, if women were to be in charge of running the world, we’d still be sitting around the caves, bitching about so-and-so’s nails and child-rearing practices. Most of human progress probably stems from men’s need to get away from that shit, and to shut whatever “her” there is in their lives up.

Matriarchies. Not even once.

Although, there is that one in China that seems to work, for a given value of “work”. You look at the features of it, though, and you start to wonder if it wasn’t the result of the males pulling a typically female move, and “letting it happen” to their benefit, because they seem to have nice lives outside the fact they don’t know who their kids are…