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	<title>Comments on: The way to develop the best 20-year-old athlete is not the way to make the best 10-year-old athlete</title>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791922</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 21:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s almost trite, but I&#039;d even add that the mental capacity and emotional sensibility necessary to have ambition and drive and to respond successfully to any kind of goal, pressure or motivation, itself has a hereditary element to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost trite, but I&#8217;d even add that the mental capacity and emotional sensibility necessary to have ambition and drive and to respond successfully to any kind of goal, pressure or motivation, itself has a hereditary element to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791555</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 18:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nurture can only take you so far, and then you’d better have the underlying genetics to make nurturing effects possible.&quot;

I imagine there are plenty of kids who showed an early and passionate interest in golf, AND who had a parent who was a pro, and nurtured their interest, but there is only one Tiger Woods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nurture can only take you so far, and then you’d better have the underlying genetics to make nurturing effects possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>I imagine there are plenty of kids who showed an early and passionate interest in golf, AND who had a parent who was a pro, and nurtured their interest, but there is only one Tiger Woods.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791430</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 15:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I myself have made modest use of such talents as I had, but it&#039;s been enough. I might have done better in a few areas.

I did benefit from parental pressure, although the Scottish kind not the hard-core Asian kind.

Some things I was never going to be. Any kind of athlete at all, for one.

I am the king of all procrastinators, so excellence IS possible. And no amount of parental or peer pressure overcomes it. Only necessity and crisis. You just have to be innately disposed to react more aggressively in crisis. Life&#039;s a balance, like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself have made modest use of such talents as I had, but it&#8217;s been enough. I might have done better in a few areas.</p>
<p>I did benefit from parental pressure, although the Scottish kind not the hard-core Asian kind.</p>
<p>Some things I was never going to be. Any kind of athlete at all, for one.</p>
<p>I am the king of all procrastinators, so excellence IS possible. And no amount of parental or peer pressure overcomes it. Only necessity and crisis. You just have to be innately disposed to react more aggressively in crisis. Life&#8217;s a balance, like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791429</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 15:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t want to disparage motivation, education, discipline, training, hard work, parental or coach pressure or peer competition.

All can drive a person to maximize their talents, and plenty of people squander not only their native physical or mental gifts, but the pressures that might drive them, through resistance, passivity, or disinterest, or even fail to identify possible talents at all. Even those whose gifts could take them in many directions usually miss a few for one reason or another. Every path isn&#039;t for everyone, even if it&#039;s one they could have walked.

But you also can&#039;t make an end product from poor or no materials, with any amount of work.

Few if any people are pure hereditarians.  Way too many seem to be pure environmentalists and that position strikes me as so contrary to all learning or human experience that I cannot understand their resistance to any hereditary component. It borders on lunacy.

Too much G, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to disparage motivation, education, discipline, training, hard work, parental or coach pressure or peer competition.</p>
<p>All can drive a person to maximize their talents, and plenty of people squander not only their native physical or mental gifts, but the pressures that might drive them, through resistance, passivity, or disinterest, or even fail to identify possible talents at all. Even those whose gifts could take them in many directions usually miss a few for one reason or another. Every path isn&#8217;t for everyone, even if it&#8217;s one they could have walked.</p>
<p>But you also can&#8217;t make an end product from poor or no materials, with any amount of work.</p>
<p>Few if any people are pure hereditarians.  Way too many seem to be pure environmentalists and that position strikes me as so contrary to all learning or human experience that I cannot understand their resistance to any hereditary component. It borders on lunacy.</p>
<p>Too much G, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791382</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 15:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nurture can only take you so far, and then you&#039;d better have the underlying genetics to make nurturing effects possible. I don&#039;t care how much parental involvement you have, if the kid isn&#039;t suited to the sport, it ain&#039;t happening. You are not going to take a child built like a jockey and turn that kid into the next great NFL lineman, and you&#039;re not taking someone built like a lineman and making him into the next winner of the Triple Crown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nurture can only take you so far, and then you&#8217;d better have the underlying genetics to make nurturing effects possible. I don&#8217;t care how much parental involvement you have, if the kid isn&#8217;t suited to the sport, it ain&#8217;t happening. You are not going to take a child built like a jockey and turn that kid into the next great NFL lineman, and you&#8217;re not taking someone built like a lineman and making him into the next winner of the Triple Crown.</p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Dubbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.J. Dubbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 14:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure parents want to believe this but it&#039;s just not true. If it were true, you wouldn&#039;t see so many tennis players who also have pro tennis brothers or sisters. But there are plenty of brothers and sisters. McEnroe and his brother, Zverev brothers, Murray brothers, Williams sisters, Djokovic brothers, Skupski brothers, Bryan brothers, etc etc. As the swimmer Summer Sanders put it in the title of her book, &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/2I8Gz4e&quot;&gt;Champions are Raised, not Born&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure parents want to believe this but it&#8217;s just not true. If it were true, you wouldn&#8217;t see so many tennis players who also have pro tennis brothers or sisters. But there are plenty of brothers and sisters. McEnroe and his brother, Zverev brothers, Murray brothers, Williams sisters, Djokovic brothers, Skupski brothers, Bryan brothers, etc etc. As the swimmer Summer Sanders put it in the title of her book, <a href="https://amzn.to/2I8Gz4e">Champions are Raised, not Born</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul from Canada</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791057</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 05:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, up here in Canada, we have the phenomenon of the &quot;Hockey Dad&quot;.  Trying to live vicariously or re-capture faded glory through the person of his hockey playing son. Either pushing him to a higher league level he doesn&#039;t really want to go, or just being so driving and competitive, that he sucks all the joy out of it for the poor kid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, up here in Canada, we have the phenomenon of the &#8220;Hockey Dad&#8221;.  Trying to live vicariously or re-capture faded glory through the person of his hockey playing son. Either pushing him to a higher league level he doesn&#8217;t really want to go, or just being so driving and competitive, that he sucks all the joy out of it for the poor kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791039</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 04:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grasspunk--Exactly my take, and I think it goes past just athletics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grasspunk&#8211;Exactly my take, and I think it goes past just athletics.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasspunk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2791005</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasspunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 03:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s an assumption here that kinda bugs me. Epstein is answering the question, &quot;How do I train my kid to be an elite athlete?&quot; Looking at today&#039;s kids I think we spend way too much energy on the elite athlete and way too little on the regular kid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an assumption here that kinda bugs me. Epstein is answering the question, &#8220;How do I train my kid to be an elite athlete?&#8221; Looking at today&#8217;s kids I think we spend way too much energy on the elite athlete and way too little on the regular kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/05/the-way-to-develop-the-best-20-year-old-athlete-is-not-the-way-to-make-the-best-10-year-old-athlete/comment-page-1/#comment-2790740</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2019 19:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would submit that there are no really consistent &quot;cookbook&quot; approaches towards excellence in any field. Every practitioner is different, every field is different, and every slice of time that a particular practitioner is experiencing that field is different.

What worked for Milo of Croton might have worked for Arnold Schwarzenegger; then again, maybe not. Excellence is to be celebrated, revered, and emulated; the path to get there, however? It will never be the same for every aspirant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would submit that there are no really consistent &#8220;cookbook&#8221; approaches towards excellence in any field. Every practitioner is different, every field is different, and every slice of time that a particular practitioner is experiencing that field is different.</p>
<p>What worked for Milo of Croton might have worked for Arnold Schwarzenegger; then again, maybe not. Excellence is to be celebrated, revered, and emulated; the path to get there, however? It will never be the same for every aspirant.</p>
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