Y’all don’t want my take on what we should have done, after 9/11. You really, really don’t…”

Attack Israel????

Stop pretending that Israel doesn’t own the US and it’s legislature. A Jew buys the WTC complex then SHAZZAM the complex is hit by planes and one of them falls the same speed as a rock dropped in air for roughly 108′. Now there’s no special gravity flux by that building, building 7, that makes it’s gravity any different from any other place on earth. If it fell the same speed as a rock dropped in air it means it was only supposed by AIR when it fell. We all know this is bullshit. If that won’t do then we can talk about the building between #7 and the North tower which somehow blew the whole entire center of itself all the way up, building 6. If that won’t do then we can talk about the FEMA photographer,(who had to flee the country from death threats), that photographed the vault under building#6, and lots more, where the door was open and all the gold was removed from it. Wonder how that happened?

9-11 did and is still doing irreparable damage to the US and the Jews did it. They screwed up and it’s just a matter of time before the blow back begins. Never forget the Jews did this to us and that they go on pretending that somehow a bunch of Arabs did all this. Anyone that chimes in with this sort of nonsense is a liar and knows it.

Let’s not forget the Ukraine disaster, the Holodomo, over 10 million dead, was done by the Jews and the recent take over by the Jews and civil war in the Ukraine was done by them also. A civil war started by a sniper who shoots civilians AND the police with the same rifle. How convenient that a billionaire Jew from Switzerland was ready to come in and run the Western portion.

The FED is run by the Jews for their convenience and used our credit worthiness to to create junk bonds, take over all our industry and move it China. If that wasn’t bad enough they caused the bank housing crash and then bought the rest of the economy with bailouts and close to zero interest rates from the FED,(they did the EXACT same thing in Germany). I expect this time they will not inflate away the whole economy as that might even be too obvious for even the Jews.

Let’s add to this the whole pozzing of the culture and mass genocidal immigration and…well I’m not hapopy about what the Jews have done to my country and you don;t need to cal it a conspiracy to think this way. Any attempt to call these facts a “conspiracy” or some sort of irrational hatred of the Jews is vile and evil. The Jews earned their hatred by those of us who know what they did fair and square. And don’t pretend that it’s “just a few Jews” because they’ve been doing the exact same thing for thousands of years.

It’s often said that anti-Semites blame the Jews for everything. That’s a damn lie we only blame them for getting us into WWI and WWII, the Federal Reserve, killing Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy. The destruction of Russia, Germany, Spain, England, US and all of Eastern Europe. The opium trade into China. Bringing slaves to America. Bringing in all the people after the 1965 change in immigration laws and all illegal immigration. Destruction of the studies of anthropology, psychiatry and social sciences. Destruction of the school system through uncivil rights for Blacks. Mass murder of Whites by Blacks due to uncivil rights laws. Destruction of all our major cities. Destruction of competence of government employees by uncivil rights laws banning effective testing. Destruction of the culture by mass media, just a few of which are radio, TV, movies and music. Widespread tensions between Men and Women due to their pushing of Feminism and attacking Women. Psychological warfare by portraying White Men as evil, corrupt, deranged and serial killers. Police committing widespread murder due to Jews training the police. Corruption of the government by bribery and when that doesn’t work blackmail. Murder of people to cover up corruption. Destruction of truth through distortion of the education system and mass media. The lowering of morals through pornography and evil behavior in film and TV. Sexual degeneracy and illegal forcing of Women and Men into trading sex for work. Pedophile attacks on girls and boys in Hollywood. The pushing of communism and socialism. The movement of manufacturing to China. Widespread theft of military secrets and subsequent selling of those to the USSR , China and who knows who else. The banking collapse and subsequent bailout. Running a fraudulent FED currency scheme. Securities fraud in the bank bail outs and Mortgage backed Bond business. Blowing up our buildings and killing our people on 9-11 and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan, Iraq. Libya, and Syria. Multiple false flags where Americans have been murdered. The war in Ukraine. ISIS. The murder of Lebanese and Palestinians. Organ smuggling. Drug smuggling. Lots and lots of business and bank fraud. There’s more but that’s the major ones.

I was tending in some similar directions but that was wonderfully succinct.

That’s not a conspiracy, it’s how minorities think and behave. Find a smart minority and give them power, and you get what you get.

The Israelis I’ve known were a different case. Apparently a lot of them come here and think we’re suckers because we’re so honest (or so I hear from other Israelis), but I just never got a sense of the weird malicious inferiority complex American Jews have.

That applies in its peculiar ways to Jews in lots of places, Lebanese all over the Middle East and West Africa, Armenians in some places including Lebanon, Chinese all over SE Asia, and probably others that don’t come immediately to mind, present, past and future. It can also apply to classes- European royalty particularly of the 19th century formed a relatively closed caste as against others in their countries, but a cosmopolitan group across national borders. Although not quite so inclined against domestic nationalism, of course, but occasionally conscious of its perils. More so if they had a diverse empire. Even the British royals tended to promote a more cosmopolitan ideal than some other Britons.

All that is just about aggregate benefit, only occasionally about the deliberate intellectual parsing of the idea or specific actions taken. And even where action, it is usually more intuitive or individual or based on sincere belief in some value or ideology, whether it’s revolutionary international socialism, or the weird hybrid of WASP cultural supremacism and early globalism that was the Round Table and Milnerism.

The melting pot was definitely an assimilation strategy, largely endorsed by a WASP elite that seemed to want manpower for national development and expected to maintain control of it through cultural assimilation. It worked unevenly. We heard much of it in critical terms in school in the 70s in Ontario, as by then our value system of multiculturalism was being preached. Multiculturalism was more of a liberal concept stressing openness and nondiscrimination when compared to progressive emphases on diversity, inclusion, and race/gender essentialism. But even then we were taught that we were a ‘mosaic’, not a melting pot, and that there was something dimly racist about the melting pot ideology. We were a bit overwrought even then. One can see in that the hint that it’s not enough to welcome people of other nationalities or even races, you have to not only value all cultures the same but allow all to exist in parallel without any overall scheme.

But I digress. Melting pot was the wrong concept to pin it on. But there was a definite cultural and political shift implied in the idea that America was to be a ‘nation of immigrants’ without distinction of historical circumstances or of settlement or colonization; of ideals and values only or primarily, over and above even institutions let alone culture; about Ellis island and the golden door, with Lexington and Concord seen not as less important but as prelude; with the Statue symbolizing immigration more than liberty or republicanism or Franco-American amity. They’re not intrinsically opposed, but there’s a difference between “the mystic chords of memory tying each home and hearth… to every battlefield and patriot grave” and “give me your tired, your poor…”

It doesn’t actually require opposing the newer idea to notice the change, though I find some would like to obscure that.

As far as Jews and Judaism go, I’ve been a ginormous philosemite and Israel partisan in my day, not that they need go together. I still am to some degree. It goes with being an 80s kid exposed to AMerican pop culture at one of the peaks of its pro-Israel form and with Jews at one of many peaks in their roles in the arts and pop culture. It also goes with having had an interest, for a time, in the interplay of conservative Christian and conservative Jewish philosophy and political thought, as they then existed. I imbibed worries of some Jewish writers that their ethny and faith would disappear through intermarriage. I still kind of hope that doesn;t happen, touch me though it has not.

On the other hand, sometimes one finds a Jewish American academic or political/media commentator praising past generations of Jewish Americans for things like the overwhelming secularization and commercialization of Christmas music in postwar America. Or pioneering the concept of camp. Or postmodernism. Or sarcasm and outsider satire comedy. Or whatever Seinfeld’s show about nothing was. Lighthearted nihilist comedy?

I grew up with, consumed, and liked American postwar pop culture including in those forms. I loved Rodney Dangerfield and Jackie Mason and moderately enjoyed Seinfeld. I get it. It was good stuff as pop culture goes.

And then sometimes I look at in light of what I said in my first para above. Yep.

Is it a conspiracy? No, of course not. Is it destructive in intent, no not really if at all. Maybe for some folks. It’s hard not to credit entertainment industry producers with destructive intent, but it’s not to advance Judaism. They’re seemingly just relatively nasty people in the business. It’s a product of how cultures work in the kind of settings I started with. Perhaps, and this only occurs to me now, it works most when the host culture is also inclined at least some of the time to sympathize with the leading minority on some other religious or philosophical grounds, or contains within it some other elements that tend in the same social directions.

The Lebanese will not, for example, have much deeper influence in West Africa than their commercial and political influence networks have now. The Chinese of Southeast Asia have probably peaked at a lower level, too, but a respectable one.

I think the civilized course remains to argue these issues on the non conspiratorial level.

Every so often, one sees some of the more conservative American Jews bemoan how much Hannukah has become identified with Christmas, as a Jewish verison of Christmas, and also secularized and commercialized like Christmas, as opposed to the moment of reflection on a stylized but real event in the actual political and religious history of the Jewish people that it is. I quite sympathize. I’d endorse their taking it back if I could move Christmas back a few notches. There won’t be agreement.

In passing, I can’t figure out how that emergence of Hannukah to its current form and profile came to be. I can see it as having been an assimilationist move in postwar America, an attempt to conform and therefore perhaps an “oppression”, but it also contributed to making Hannukah far more visible and the much larger general visibility of Jewish culture in American culture writ large. Canada also has a substantial Jewish community especially Montreal and Toronto, but like in the US it’s not that large by actual numbers or percentage. I can’t guarantee I met a Jewish person until university for sure. York was and is a very Jewish influenced campus. Maybe high school, but I wasn’t much the type to ask. But from American tv, sitcoms in particular, I knew in early childhood all sorts of Jewish and American Jewish concepts and tropes, from the major holidays to food and Yiddish slang. At York, I also got Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur as days off from class. Mazel tov to the Jewish community of Toronto for that.

At any rate, I have meandered much. In theory, I need to be using the web to find a new apartment soon. Stupid objective reality.

So, assuming that Jews are humans and that humans conspire, it’s worth asking what, exactly, Jews are responsible for. And one of those things is that disgusting poem on the Statue of Liberty.

And, of course, they’re responsible for a lot more. The Federal Reserve System, for instance; the Russian Revolution; dragging an unwilling America into the Second World War; etc. None of this is disputable. The facts are all out there. In many cases, even, they’re bragged about by the heirs of the people who did them. And I’m not going to dispute them with you.

Are Jews solely responsible for everything bad that happens in the world? Not even close. But the problem with you Boomers is that, as you yourself said basically word for word, your brain shuts down upon first encounter with the very word “Jew”. I’ve forgotten exactly what Moldbug called that — brain worm? something — but I remember what Orwell called it: CRIMESTOP.

Your friend, the Common Jew, is regarded by her betters as being nearly as disposable as any goy. A pawn, if that. An invite is not in her future, she isn’t going to be getting any checks, and she isn’t even expected to reproduce. Her descendants, if she has any two or three generations from now, will almost certainly not survive as a coherent people. (They would be a potential threat.)

That in itself makes neither you nor her “inferior”. It does make you both born to the wrong parents. Congratulations, you now understand the nature of aristocracy.

I have no idea where you got the inane drivel about Jewish Hitler or anything else. I get my history from Wikipedia and other mainstream sources. To wit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus

Everyone knows who did 9/11, and it wasn’t Saudi Arabia. You know it too, or you wouldn’t have spontaneously brought it up.

Yawn.

Which makes it really easy to avoid personal responsibility for those things, or to have to do some real self-examination about the assumptions one holds.

Also, for a Vast Conspiracy, they’re pretty ‘effing bad at it all. You’d think they’d be more subtle, less visible, and living as something other than openly Jewish–If they really were part of a conspiracy. Of course, the best explanation is that all those supposed goyim that took part in all this sophistry and stupidity we interpret as “conspiracy” must really be crypto-Jews, hidden in the woodwork… Yeah, that’s it: Hitler was really a Jew, and all his Nazi buddies were, too–That way, they could hold the Holocaust, get rid of all those Jews who weren’t in on the conspiracy, and build up all that credibility for the ones who were out in the open, and… and… and…

Yeah. Dude, if you sound like some of my Serb friends that I grew up listening to, well… You’re probably not a rational actor, and it’s far past time to take a deep breath, grow the f**k up, and recognize that there ain’t no “Vast Conspiracy” to blame for any of this shit–It’s sheer human hubristic stupidity, and the Jews are as prone to it as anyone else.

Also, about nine-tenths of the crap you lay off on “the Jooooos” wasn’t anything that they did, at all–At the time, if you know any of the history at all, and aren’t a purblind idiot, the people espousing for the “melting pot” idea were not Jewish; they were mostly WASP as hell–The Jews were many of the ones that they wanted to melt into the pot.

Frankly, y’all… I hear someone start up about “Jewish” anything, and I quit listening, while laughing to myself about you and your ideas. The historical record is pretty f**king clear: If there is a “Vast Jewish Conspiracy(tm)”, then it’s about the most incompetent and bad-luck conspiracy in the history of history.

Jewish friend of mine and I were comparing notes; I was wondering when I was going to start getting invited to the meetings for the patriarchy, and getting my checks for taking part in the whole thing, and she was wondering the same damn thing about the whole Jewish thing–She’s never gotten the invite, and she sure as hell ain’t getting the checks, either.

From that, I suppose I should take that I’m an inferior male, and she’s an inferior Jew…

That’s how we got into Vietnam, if anyone remembers.

Given just how many election-promises Trump has fulfilled, I’m willing to give him a bye on these specific ones. Unwinding the spool of what others have done, from Carter forward…? Yeah; nightmarish. I wouldn’t take the job on a bet.

So, I’ll cut the man some slack. He’s picked decent advisers, and I’ll defer to their judgment. Me? By this time, if I’d been running things immediately post-9/11? We’d probably just now be getting the first oil out of the fully irradiated ground in what was once Saudi Arabia, and the population of the Third World would be drastically lower, having starved to death in the interim. There’s a lot of fertilizer and fuel necessary for feeding that lot which comes out of Saudi Arabia, and they’d have had to go without while I dealt with the aftermath of the Saudi’s refusal to hand over their officials involved in 9/11 for trial and execution. Pakistan would have likely gone nuclear after similar demands for the turnover of the entire ISI, and we’d be looking at a fairly radioactive Indian sub-continent.

On the whole, y’all are really fortunate I wasn’t in charge during that period. I have a very simplistic outlook on these things, and I also have a tendency to opt for solutions to problems which stay solved…

So, for one thing, America is a land of pioneers. The whole “melting pot of teeming refuse” thing is a Jewish retconn that was taught to you as gospel by a network of think tanks and the gullible teachers in their employ, themselves taught by the very same apparatus.

For another, I don’t think that the critical event was the emigration/immigration of the founding stock of the country. I think it was the proliferation of public schooling, i.e. education by the state.

And it’s the state that doesn’t give a shit about things that happened in the past except inasmuch as he who controls the past controls the future.

Which is the greater breaker of cultural continuity: your people transplanting themselves across an ocean, or your child’s self not learning your people’s history from the elders of your people?

Just a thought.

How to Get America out of the Infinity War in the Middle East: A Three-Step Plan

Step 1. Announce your immediate withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan.

Step 2. Announce a sudden reversal of your immediate withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan.

(you are here)

Step 3. Bomb Venezuela and take its oil.

You can’t always get what you want / But if you try sometimes / You just might find / You get what you need

You Boomers are so ungrateful, maaan.

Good times.

John Dougan:

I know, right? The ‘Balkan’ is right there in the name of the place. You’d think that would have been a clue.