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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/03/we-are-a-nation-of-suckers/comment-page-1/#comment-2760342</link>
		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2019 05:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buckethead: “CLVR, your Great Flood pill link seems to be just a pic of a bearded guy in front of a bookcase.”

It’s a bit of a joke, though you could always do a reverse image search. The bearded guy is Randall Carlson, and he asks a number of interesting questions regarding certain geological formations of North America.

Kirk: “That’s something I wish I knew the answer to, because the stuff he described finding along the train tracks sure as hell didn’t sound like anything I’d ever heard of.”

I have to know. What did he describe??

Also, what time period would the strip mining have been pulling stuff out of?

Sam: “Now there’s a lot of stuff that Graham Hancock says that I don’t believe but when he is talking about the great flood he’s got to be right. It all adds up.”

I’m with you, but still, the fact that he was talking about the whole giant cataclysm-lost civilization thing 20 years before anyone else gives him a huge amount of credibility in my humble opinion. Even if I’m just not ready for trans-dimensional psychedelic aliens.

I think it was Carlson, not Hancock, who came up with the Mid-Atlantic ridge thing.

Do you have a cite for the Canary Islands thing or should I just Google it?

“There’s no damn aliens.”

If there was a huge cataclysm there could easily have been highly advanced PEOPLE with kinds of technology well beyond our own. (Probably not in every respect or they’d be in space and capable of surviving the YD impacts.)

“As for the artifacts in coal seams. There’s a lot of them. They’ve found cast iron pans, gold chains, all kinds of stuff.”

Cast iron pans? Gold chains? I want to ask: how is that even possible? But I think I know the answer.

“Trillions and tunnels.”

Yes. Did you see that video of what looks to be a bona fide underground highway?

Lots of DUMBs as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckethead: “CLVR, your Great Flood pill link seems to be just a pic of a bearded guy in front of a bookcase.”</p>
<p>It’s a bit of a joke, though you could always do a reverse image search. The bearded guy is Randall Carlson, and he asks a number of interesting questions regarding certain geological formations of North America.</p>
<p>Kirk: “That’s something I wish I knew the answer to, because the stuff he described finding along the train tracks sure as hell didn’t sound like anything I’d ever heard of.”</p>
<p>I have to know. What did he describe??</p>
<p>Also, what time period would the strip mining have been pulling stuff out of?</p>
<p>Sam: “Now there’s a lot of stuff that Graham Hancock says that I don’t believe but when he is talking about the great flood he’s got to be right. It all adds up.”</p>
<p>I’m with you, but still, the fact that he was talking about the whole giant cataclysm-lost civilization thing 20 years before anyone else gives him a huge amount of credibility in my humble opinion. Even if I’m just not ready for trans-dimensional psychedelic aliens.</p>
<p>I think it was Carlson, not Hancock, who came up with the Mid-Atlantic ridge thing.</p>
<p>Do you have a cite for the Canary Islands thing or should I just Google it?</p>
<p>“There’s no damn aliens.”</p>
<p>If there was a huge cataclysm there could easily have been highly advanced PEOPLE with kinds of technology well beyond our own. (Probably not in every respect or they’d be in space and capable of surviving the YD impacts.)</p>
<p>“As for the artifacts in coal seams. There’s a lot of them. They’ve found cast iron pans, gold chains, all kinds of stuff.”</p>
<p>Cast iron pans? Gold chains? I want to ask: how is that even possible? But I think I know the answer.</p>
<p>“Trillions and tunnels.”</p>
<p>Yes. Did you see that video of what looks to be a bona fide underground highway?</p>
<p>Lots of DUMBs as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/03/we-are-a-nation-of-suckers/comment-page-1/#comment-2758047</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...I see something that seems to have been made by people with technology beyond ours, I assume that it was made by people with technology beyond ours...&quot;

I don&#039;t think any of this stuff is stuff that we couldn&#039;t do. There&#039;s no damn aliens. All this stone stuff that looks so fantastic could be done by making stone like Davidovits did. On his site is a paper about a South America bird that uses a plant to soften rocks in vertical walls to make nest. They soften then peck out nest. Surely humans can see this and do the same as a bird.

As for the artifacts in coal seams. There&#039;s a lot of them. They&#039;ve found cast irn pans, gold chains, all kinds of stuff. The simplist explaination, that no one wants to here is humans, or some sort of Hominoid, has been around millions of years but they keep being knocked back to the stone age from comets and asteroids that whack us every so often. There&#039;s also another explanation from this guy.

https://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/

He says that massive volcanic eruptions correspond with magnetic excursions and magnetic reversals. I have both of his books. He has a huge amount of evidence in them. He does not know the mechanism for why the magnetic reversals cause the eruptions or why they happen. I&#039;ve speculated that it&#039;s the Sun and it&#039;s connection to the Earth. There are magnetic tubes that go all the way from the Sun to the Earth.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

If you want to be frightened forget global warming. Right now the Sun seems to be going into a mini ice age and the magnetic pole is shifting at a higher rate than we have ever seen. YIKES!

There&#039;s a LOT of talk about trillions of dollars missing from the Federal budget and lots of tunnels being built. Could it be they know about this &quot;pole shifting or excursion&quot; and are building tunnels to protect from volcanoes and solar flares??? And they&#039;re not telling us...anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I see something that seems to have been made by people with technology beyond ours, I assume that it was made by people with technology beyond ours&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any of this stuff is stuff that we couldn&#8217;t do. There&#8217;s no damn aliens. All this stone stuff that looks so fantastic could be done by making stone like Davidovits did. On his site is a paper about a South America bird that uses a plant to soften rocks in vertical walls to make nest. They soften then peck out nest. Surely humans can see this and do the same as a bird.</p>
<p>As for the artifacts in coal seams. There&#8217;s a lot of them. They&#8217;ve found cast irn pans, gold chains, all kinds of stuff. The simplist explaination, that no one wants to here is humans, or some sort of Hominoid, has been around millions of years but they keep being knocked back to the stone age from comets and asteroids that whack us every so often. There&#8217;s also another explanation from this guy.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/" >https://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/</a></p>
<p>He says that massive volcanic eruptions correspond with magnetic excursions and magnetic reversals. I have both of his books. He has a huge amount of evidence in them. He does not know the mechanism for why the magnetic reversals cause the eruptions or why they happen. I&#8217;ve speculated that it&#8217;s the Sun and it&#8217;s connection to the Earth. There are magnetic tubes that go all the way from the Sun to the Earth.</p>
<p><a href="https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/" >https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/</a></p>
<p>If you want to be frightened forget global warming. Right now the Sun seems to be going into a mini ice age and the magnetic pole is shifting at a higher rate than we have ever seen. YIKES!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a LOT of talk about trillions of dollars missing from the Federal budget and lots of tunnels being built. Could it be they know about this &#8220;pole shifting or excursion&#8221; and are building tunnels to protect from volcanoes and solar flares??? And they&#8217;re not telling us&#8230;anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/03/we-are-a-nation-of-suckers/comment-page-1/#comment-2758042</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...My issue with the idea of geopolymers is that a.) it’s got to be a fairly simple technique, if it works, and b.) there’s no modern equivalent that can produce anything even near the sort of thing those guys talk about...&quot;

All you requisites are met. The blocks are made out of Natron, wood ashes and crushed limestone which is lying in massive heaps all around the pyramids. You just gather it up in baskets. If you look at the Natron link below you see a picture of the stuff laying on the ground. It&#039;s soda ash, a mineral that collects just like 20 mule team borax. It&#039;s suspected that the reason they stopped building such large structures is they ran out of Natron. They mined it all out. The geopolymer is only a small proportion of the mix. Just like concrete is a glue for rocks and sand geopolymer is the glue for the majority limestone. There&#039;s a VERY GOOD proof that he&#039;s right. If you look at the outer casing of the pyramids you will find that the sea shells in the limestone are jumbled up in all sorts of orientation. This doesn&#039;t happen in normal cut limestone. All the creatures shells in cut limestone are laying in their sides where they fell over and died. I see no other explanation. If you look carefully at his site there&#039;s no doubt at all he&#039;s right about geopolymer being the casing and some of the upper stones. It just fits too well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natron

Here you go a video of blocks being made with simple materials you could find in Egypt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQk_yBHre4

Modern equivalents are being made now. The Air Force uses it for super fast drying airport runways. They use a geopolymer mix, throw it down and it dries immediately much harder than concrete. I&#039;m guessing the only reason it hasn&#039;t caught on is the extreme conservatism of the construction industry and there&#039;s massive, massive built infrastructure for Portland cement.

@CVLR

&quot;the Great Flood pill &quot;

You bet. That&#039;s Randal Carlson in that picture. Everything you want know about Atlantis, the great flood and the extinction of animals in North America is in these two videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5LCLljJho

Now there&#039;s a lot of stuff that Graham Hancock says that I don&#039;t believe but when he is talking about the great flood he&#039;s got to be right. It all adds up.

An interesting factoid. All the oldest sites in North America for human habitation start on the east coast and move west as they get less in age????

I think Atlantis is just as Handcock says in the mid-Atlantic ridge. It sunk when the ice cap in North America melted due to a comet strike in Greenland and yes they have just recently found the crater.  It&#039;s huge. Furthermore the only part left of the mid-Atlantic ridge that&#039;s left sticking up was...get this...the Canary Islands where the ancients found, a bunch of White guys who looked, and I think were, Cro-Mags.  The decedents of Atlantis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;My issue with the idea of geopolymers is that a.) it’s got to be a fairly simple technique, if it works, and b.) there’s no modern equivalent that can produce anything even near the sort of thing those guys talk about&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>All you requisites are met. The blocks are made out of Natron, wood ashes and crushed limestone which is lying in massive heaps all around the pyramids. You just gather it up in baskets. If you look at the Natron link below you see a picture of the stuff laying on the ground. It&#8217;s soda ash, a mineral that collects just like 20 mule team borax. It&#8217;s suspected that the reason they stopped building such large structures is they ran out of Natron. They mined it all out. The geopolymer is only a small proportion of the mix. Just like concrete is a glue for rocks and sand geopolymer is the glue for the majority limestone. There&#8217;s a VERY GOOD proof that he&#8217;s right. If you look at the outer casing of the pyramids you will find that the sea shells in the limestone are jumbled up in all sorts of orientation. This doesn&#8217;t happen in normal cut limestone. All the creatures shells in cut limestone are laying in their sides where they fell over and died. I see no other explanation. If you look carefully at his site there&#8217;s no doubt at all he&#8217;s right about geopolymer being the casing and some of the upper stones. It just fits too well.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natron" >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natron</a></p>
<p>Here you go a video of blocks being made with simple materials you could find in Egypt.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQk_yBHre4" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQk_yBHre4</a></p>
<p>Modern equivalents are being made now. The Air Force uses it for super fast drying airport runways. They use a geopolymer mix, throw it down and it dries immediately much harder than concrete. I&#8217;m guessing the only reason it hasn&#8217;t caught on is the extreme conservatism of the construction industry and there&#8217;s massive, massive built infrastructure for Portland cement.</p>
<p>@CVLR</p>
<p>&#8220;the Great Flood pill &#8221;</p>
<p>You bet. That&#8217;s Randal Carlson in that picture. Everything you want know about Atlantis, the great flood and the extinction of animals in North America is in these two videos.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5LCLljJho" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5LCLljJho</a></p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s a lot of stuff that Graham Hancock says that I don&#8217;t believe but when he is talking about the great flood he&#8217;s got to be right. It all adds up.</p>
<p>An interesting factoid. All the oldest sites in North America for human habitation start on the east coast and move west as they get less in age????</p>
<p>I think Atlantis is just as Handcock says in the mid-Atlantic ridge. It sunk when the ice cap in North America melted due to a comet strike in Greenland and yes they have just recently found the crater.  It&#8217;s huge. Furthermore the only part left of the mid-Atlantic ridge that&#8217;s left sticking up was&#8230;get this&#8230;the Canary Islands where the ancients found, a bunch of White guys who looked, and I think were, Cro-Mags.  The decedents of Atlantis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Gobekli Tepi was a slave pen. Bunch of cells with one opening at the top apiece, surrounded and overlooked by walls. If the inmates got out they might have been mad enough to bury the place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Gobekli Tepi was a slave pen. Bunch of cells with one opening at the top apiece, surrounded and overlooked by walls. If the inmates got out they might have been mad enough to bury the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Buckethead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CLVR, your Great Flood pill link seems to be just a pic of a bearded guy in front of a bookcase.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLVR, your Great Flood pill link seems to be just a pic of a bearded guy in front of a bookcase.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 06:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, that we&#039;re just so disconnected from the realities of the milieu that those ancients lived in that we refuse to accept that they could have done it on their own...

I don&#039;t discount anything, or have a particular brief for a particular theory. Show me how they did all that stuff at Puma Punku with the then-current technology, and I&#039;ll buy that they did it. Until then, knowing what I know, I&#039;ll just file that whole thing under &quot;WTF, Anomaly&quot;.

There are a lot of things that just don&#039;t make sense. Weird one I want the answer to is a friend of mine who was a big-time rock-hound and geologist wannabe. He grew up in Appalachia where they did all the strip mining, and he used to walk up and down the railway lines collecting weird stuff that fell off the trains hauling coal.

Now, when and where he grew up, there was also a lot of interest in picking up Indian arrowheads and the like, so when he&#039;d be walking along the tracks, he&#039;d occasionally find pottery and other things that he took for Indian artifacts. Had quite the collection...

It wasn&#039;t until he was taking college classes with me in the Army that the timeline issues clicked with him, and he started wondering where the hell those artifacts came from. He described them and sketched them for our instructor, who was like &quot;That looks like nothing I&#039;ve ever seen, coming from the American Indian...&quot;. And, given that this stuff was falling off of coal trains coming out of strip mines in the Appalachians, well... Yeah. You can see the issues that come to mind.

Unfortunately, when he went home on leave and was going to take pictures and bring those artifacts back to our instructor, he made the unfortunate discovery that his mother had sold everything in a yard sale...

That&#039;s something I wish I knew the answer to, because the stuff he described finding along the train tracks sure as hell didn&#039;t sound like anything I&#039;d ever heard of.

There are an awful lot of things out there that we don&#039;t know about because we haven&#039;t kept an open mind about them, or paid attention to the things we&#039;ve actually found. &quot;Oh, this can&#039;t possibly be a Coelacanth... Those are extinct...&quot;. Yeah, guess what, baby... They&#039;re not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, that we&#8217;re just so disconnected from the realities of the milieu that those ancients lived in that we refuse to accept that they could have done it on their own&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t discount anything, or have a particular brief for a particular theory. Show me how they did all that stuff at Puma Punku with the then-current technology, and I&#8217;ll buy that they did it. Until then, knowing what I know, I&#8217;ll just file that whole thing under &#8220;WTF, Anomaly&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are a lot of things that just don&#8217;t make sense. Weird one I want the answer to is a friend of mine who was a big-time rock-hound and geologist wannabe. He grew up in Appalachia where they did all the strip mining, and he used to walk up and down the railway lines collecting weird stuff that fell off the trains hauling coal.</p>
<p>Now, when and where he grew up, there was also a lot of interest in picking up Indian arrowheads and the like, so when he&#8217;d be walking along the tracks, he&#8217;d occasionally find pottery and other things that he took for Indian artifacts. Had quite the collection&#8230;</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until he was taking college classes with me in the Army that the timeline issues clicked with him, and he started wondering where the hell those artifacts came from. He described them and sketched them for our instructor, who was like &#8220;That looks like nothing I&#8217;ve ever seen, coming from the American Indian&#8230;&#8221;. And, given that this stuff was falling off of coal trains coming out of strip mines in the Appalachians, well&#8230; Yeah. You can see the issues that come to mind.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, when he went home on leave and was going to take pictures and bring those artifacts back to our instructor, he made the unfortunate discovery that his mother had sold everything in a yard sale&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s something I wish I knew the answer to, because the stuff he described finding along the train tracks sure as hell didn&#8217;t sound like anything I&#8217;d ever heard of.</p>
<p>There are an awful lot of things out there that we don&#8217;t know about because we haven&#8217;t kept an open mind about them, or paid attention to the things we&#8217;ve actually found. &#8220;Oh, this can&#8217;t possibly be a Coelacanth&#8230; Those are extinct&#8230;&#8221;. Yeah, guess what, baby&#8230; They&#8217;re not.</p>
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		<title>By: CVLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 05:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk, Maybe I’m just in the minority here, but when I see something that seems to have been made by people with technology beyond ours, I assume that it was made by people with technology beyond ours.

Sam, have you taken &lt;a href=&quot;//i.imgur.com/VOUiZmn.jpg”&quot;&gt;the Great Flood pill&lt;/a&gt; yet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk, Maybe I’m just in the minority here, but when I see something that seems to have been made by people with technology beyond ours, I assume that it was made by people with technology beyond ours.</p>
<p>Sam, have you taken <a href="//i.imgur.com/VOUiZmn.jpg”">the Great Flood pill</a> yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 04:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam, Fonte makes sense. Geopolymers and the floating thing... Not so much.

My issue with the idea of geopolymers is that a.) it&#039;s got to be a fairly simple technique, if it works, and b.) there&#039;s no modern equivalent that can produce anything even near the sort of thing those guys talk about. So, if that was the technique used, vs. brute force or Fonte&#039;s rollers, the question is, why is nothing like that known today? They talk about somehow dissolving stone and then reforming it somewhere else, and the question I have is &quot;How?&quot; Show me a chemical process that works, and don&#039;t hypothesize some now-extinct magical plant that produced the amount of latex-like substance necessary to build even one of the pyramids.

The place where that whole geopolymer idea falls down for me is the lack of evidence, and the scale of the thing. Fonte? Yeah; he makes sense, and I think he&#039;s got the best explanation going. The rest of them? I just can&#039;t take the ideas seriously.

Other stuff that&#039;s equally hard to comprehend is the sort of thing that&#039;s in evidence down in South America at the site near Lake Titicaca called Puma Punku. Friend of mine is an experienced stone worker, and has done work on a bunch of really well-known public monuments, carving and placing the stuff. He was brought in as a half-ass consultant by one of those skeptic organizations, and asked to go down on an &quot;expedition&quot; to try and debunk a lot of the crap that gets put out about those sites. Now, there was a lot of stuff that he looked at with them, and which was easily refuted as being signs of &quot;extraterrestrial&quot; construction techniques. However, as he put it &quot;...huge &#039;effing comma...&quot;, there was a bunch of stuff that he looked at that was &quot;inside baseball&quot; for stoneworkers, and which he saw no way to duplicate even with modern machinery and technique. He couldn&#039;t even begin to figure out how they&#039;d done what they&#039;d obviously accomplished, and that was with him having access to all sorts of resources about ancient stoneworking techniques. There was a bunch of stuff that he looked at that simply wasn&#039;t at all easily worked-out, as to the &quot;how&quot; they did what they did. And, another thing--The alignments between sites. There were specific alignments that they&#039;d built into things for astronomical phenomenon that only showed up every once in awhile, and he was completely at a loss at how they&#039;d done it. Even with laser survey equipment, he was hard pressed to figure out how he&#039;d do it.

So, the thing I think we have to accept is that there&#039;s a bunch of stuff about the ancient civilizations we simply don&#039;t know enough to figure out. Occam&#039;s Razor means it was probably people that did it, but... How?

Another thing that is a mind-bender is Gobekli Tepi. I can wrap my head around building a monumental structure like that over the course of generations, but the idea that something caused the descendants of the builders to spend just about as long burying the damn place...? That&#039;s an enigma--Building it was about like building a cathedral or a pyramid. But... Burying the damn place? What on earth motivated that, over the generations it had to take? It must have been more than a simple &quot;loss of faith&quot; in whatever religious structure that had led to it&#039;s construction, because people worked for generations to bury that place after whatever it was happened.

Give me access to a time machine, and that&#039;s one of the first places I&#039;ll go, just to answer the question of &quot;Why?&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, Fonte makes sense. Geopolymers and the floating thing&#8230; Not so much.</p>
<p>My issue with the idea of geopolymers is that a.) it&#8217;s got to be a fairly simple technique, if it works, and b.) there&#8217;s no modern equivalent that can produce anything even near the sort of thing those guys talk about. So, if that was the technique used, vs. brute force or Fonte&#8217;s rollers, the question is, why is nothing like that known today? They talk about somehow dissolving stone and then reforming it somewhere else, and the question I have is &#8220;How?&#8221; Show me a chemical process that works, and don&#8217;t hypothesize some now-extinct magical plant that produced the amount of latex-like substance necessary to build even one of the pyramids.</p>
<p>The place where that whole geopolymer idea falls down for me is the lack of evidence, and the scale of the thing. Fonte? Yeah; he makes sense, and I think he&#8217;s got the best explanation going. The rest of them? I just can&#8217;t take the ideas seriously.</p>
<p>Other stuff that&#8217;s equally hard to comprehend is the sort of thing that&#8217;s in evidence down in South America at the site near Lake Titicaca called Puma Punku. Friend of mine is an experienced stone worker, and has done work on a bunch of really well-known public monuments, carving and placing the stuff. He was brought in as a half-ass consultant by one of those skeptic organizations, and asked to go down on an &#8220;expedition&#8221; to try and debunk a lot of the crap that gets put out about those sites. Now, there was a lot of stuff that he looked at with them, and which was easily refuted as being signs of &#8220;extraterrestrial&#8221; construction techniques. However, as he put it &#8220;&#8230;huge &#8216;effing comma&#8230;&#8221;, there was a bunch of stuff that he looked at that was &#8220;inside baseball&#8221; for stoneworkers, and which he saw no way to duplicate even with modern machinery and technique. He couldn&#8217;t even begin to figure out how they&#8217;d done what they&#8217;d obviously accomplished, and that was with him having access to all sorts of resources about ancient stoneworking techniques. There was a bunch of stuff that he looked at that simply wasn&#8217;t at all easily worked-out, as to the &#8220;how&#8221; they did what they did. And, another thing&#8211;The alignments between sites. There were specific alignments that they&#8217;d built into things for astronomical phenomenon that only showed up every once in awhile, and he was completely at a loss at how they&#8217;d done it. Even with laser survey equipment, he was hard pressed to figure out how he&#8217;d do it.</p>
<p>So, the thing I think we have to accept is that there&#8217;s a bunch of stuff about the ancient civilizations we simply don&#8217;t know enough to figure out. Occam&#8217;s Razor means it was probably people that did it, but&#8230; How?</p>
<p>Another thing that is a mind-bender is Gobekli Tepi. I can wrap my head around building a monumental structure like that over the course of generations, but the idea that something caused the descendants of the builders to spend just about as long burying the damn place&#8230;? That&#8217;s an enigma&#8211;Building it was about like building a cathedral or a pyramid. But&#8230; Burying the damn place? What on earth motivated that, over the generations it had to take? It must have been more than a simple &#8220;loss of faith&#8221; in whatever religious structure that had led to it&#8217;s construction, because people worked for generations to bury that place after whatever it was happened.</p>
<p>Give me access to a time machine, and that&#8217;s one of the first places I&#8217;ll go, just to answer the question of &#8220;Why?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk,

I have two of his books and have read a load of the stuff he and others wrote. It&#039;s an extremely simple explanation for something not easily explained. I can not see any way at all that they could have carved some of the super hard rock in Egypt to make many different articles. That&#039;s why people start talking about UFO&#039;s, which I don&#039;t believe in. These type stones are all over the planet, so the recipe may have been found many times and lost. There&#039;s also many different ways to make these. 

Geopolymers are a ready explanation for the tight fitting, dressed stones on the sides and interior chambers. Here is an explanation for how they moved the rough cut blocks. I think you combine these two and it fairly well covers how they did it.

Gerard C. A. Fonte, &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/2FaH9wR&quot;&gt;Building the Great Pyramid in a Year, An Engineer&#039;s Report&lt;/a&gt;.

He shows that semi-circles found near the great pyramids could be used used to roll square blocks. Here&#039;s how you roll square blocks. You can roll these just as easily as you can roll a large round stone weighing tons. The key is the center of gravity is not raised or lowered as it transverses the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMw7XR1kMXQ

He&#039;s a construction engineer and planned large construction schedules. He added up all the time to do this using these semi-circle tracks and using interior ramps built into the pyramids as it goes up. He actually built some of these tracks and rolled concrete blocks to show it could be done. There&#039;s evidence for these interior ramps from thermal and cosmic ray studies. He says the whole thing could be built in a year and shows the schedule, work needed and hours for each function in the book. It&#039;s a good read and is not as dry as it sounds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk,</p>
<p>I have two of his books and have read a load of the stuff he and others wrote. It&#8217;s an extremely simple explanation for something not easily explained. I can not see any way at all that they could have carved some of the super hard rock in Egypt to make many different articles. That&#8217;s why people start talking about UFO&#8217;s, which I don&#8217;t believe in. These type stones are all over the planet, so the recipe may have been found many times and lost. There&#8217;s also many different ways to make these. </p>
<p>Geopolymers are a ready explanation for the tight fitting, dressed stones on the sides and interior chambers. Here is an explanation for how they moved the rough cut blocks. I think you combine these two and it fairly well covers how they did it.</p>
<p>Gerard C. A. Fonte, <a href="https://amzn.to/2FaH9wR">Building the Great Pyramid in a Year, An Engineer&#8217;s Report</a>.</p>
<p>He shows that semi-circles found near the great pyramids could be used used to roll square blocks. Here&#8217;s how you roll square blocks. You can roll these just as easily as you can roll a large round stone weighing tons. The key is the center of gravity is not raised or lowered as it transverses the ground.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMw7XR1kMXQ" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMw7XR1kMXQ</a></p>
<p>He&#8217;s a construction engineer and planned large construction schedules. He added up all the time to do this using these semi-circle tracks and using interior ramps built into the pyramids as it goes up. He actually built some of these tracks and rolled concrete blocks to show it could be done. There&#8217;s evidence for these interior ramps from thermal and cosmic ray studies. He says the whole thing could be built in a year and shows the schedule, work needed and hours for each function in the book. It&#8217;s a good read and is not as dry as it sounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam,

Interesting site. I&#039;ve been hearing stuff like this since I first started seriously trying to understand the world, and I&#039;m left sort of ambivalent over the whole thing.

The more contrived you have to make your explanation for things, the less seriously I can take it. For examples, the hypothesis that the Egyptians floated the pieces of the pyramids into place using water shafts. It looks good on paper, but when you consider that the whole thing is predicated on having something that would substitute for modern penstocks and the like, one wonders just how the hell the Egyptians would have managed it all... With the materials that we know of, it&#039;s seriously unlikely that they were doing this.

It&#039;s a hell of a ride, though, watching the videos:

https://youtu.be/C1y8N0ePuF8]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Interesting site. I&#8217;ve been hearing stuff like this since I first started seriously trying to understand the world, and I&#8217;m left sort of ambivalent over the whole thing.</p>
<p>The more contrived you have to make your explanation for things, the less seriously I can take it. For examples, the hypothesis that the Egyptians floated the pieces of the pyramids into place using water shafts. It looks good on paper, but when you consider that the whole thing is predicated on having something that would substitute for modern penstocks and the like, one wonders just how the hell the Egyptians would have managed it all&#8230; With the materials that we know of, it&#8217;s seriously unlikely that they were doing this.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hell of a ride, though, watching the videos:</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/C1y8N0ePuF8" >https://youtu.be/C1y8N0ePuF8</a></p>
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